God And Girl At Catholic College

[liliaagri]

 

 

I don't think that all higher education automatically equates with a loss of Faith. I do think that higher education at Catholic-in-name-only institutions is deliberately dangerous to the Faith for the reasons listed in the above article.

 

Exactly. This is something that very few Traditional Catholics seem to understand. They either say that their children (especially but not limited to the girls) either shouldn't go to college at all, or they should find some "conservative" Catholic college as the next best thing. Public universities are really the only way to go if you don't want to be forced into all kinds of Novus Ordo indoctrination. (Besides the fact that you'll probably get a better education. I'm not a big believer in private four-more-years-of-highschool type colleges.) The bigger the university, the less attention they pay to you, the easier it is to practice your Faith.

[Croppyboy]

Originally Posted by AdoramusTeChriste

I don't think that all higher education automatically equates with a loss of Faith. I do think that higher education at Catholic-in-name-only institutions is deliberately dangerous to the Faith for the reasons listed in the above article.

Originally posted by liliaagri

Exactly. This is something that very few Traditional Catholics seem to understand. They either say that their children (especially but not limited to the girls) either shouldn't go to college at all, or they should find some "conservative" Catholic college as the next best thing. Public universities are really the only way to go if you don't want to be forced into all kinds of Novus Ordo indoctrination. (Besides the fact that you'll probably get a better education. I'm not a big believer in private four-more-years-of-highschool type colleges.) The bigger the university, the less attention they pay to you, the easier it is to practice your Faith.

I agree. I find the "anti-education" attitude, held by some trads, to be quite worrisome. If your faith is so delicate and your mind is so weak that contact with the "outside" world would make you apostatize then you have serious problems . . .

Honestly, the level of insularity amongst some trads is exasperating . . .

[Paul]

I agree. I find the "anti-education" attitude, held by some trads, to be quite worrisome. If your faith is so delicate and your mind is so weak that contact with the "outside" world would make you apostatize then you have serious problems.

Modernism in colleges is one concern, but the other is that going to college these days is extremely expensive, and yet most jobs other than fast food and retail require a degree before they'll even consider you. The problem isn't education itself, but the whole system which seems designed to keep people in debt as long as possible, with four years of college teaching people what they should have learned in high school, and any career-specific classes could be taught in a much shorter time.

[creimann]

Modernism in colleges is one concern, but the other is that going to college these days is extremely expensive,

This would be another reason to 'go state'. Much cheaper. Also, test out of some classes. There's nothing to fear--the main problem I see is that some women who might otherwise consider starting families sooner face a lack of willing lads (well, they're willing but that's not what I mean) and once invested in their own education they want to see it through into a career. Then they're in their mid-thirties, which means basically 1-3 kids at most. The boys and the girls are both somewhat misguided, and the administrators in charge are apparently unaware of where babies come from. They probably think from the stork or something.

[spasiisochrani]

Actually, I believe that the University of Dayton is Marianist, not Jesuit.

 

I went to a Jesuit college in the 1970s, and the situation was just as bad then (except for the presence on campus of some old Jesuits who privately deplored what was going on).  None of them taught in the Religion or Philosophy departments.  I would tend to agree that attending a modern "Catholic" college is actually a danger to the faith of the students.  They graduate from 12 years of Catholic education as Catholics (although poorly catechized ones), and the "Catholic" college mocks their beliefs and attempts to turn them into modernists.  Anybody who thinks that St. Pius X's encyclical on modernism is outdated has not attended classes at a "Catholic" college in the last 40 years. 

 

State universities, where students live away from home for four years, are not much better, because (1) serial fornication is a socially-expected behavior, and (2) the university creates an artificial community, made up only of professors and adolescents/young adults, which is entirely removed from the students' families and from the common sense and social structure of the "real world".  I think the best alternative is to attend a state "commuter" university (possibly after a couple of years at a community college) and to live at home or in the community.

[doozer]

 

1.  We never made the Sign of the Cross.

After  our president stood to greet us, a priest approached the podium to give  us a blessing. But instead of the traditional Catholic sacramental, "In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit," the priest said only: "Let us place ourselves in the presence of God." In fact, in the entire two hour ceremony, the Sign of the Cross wasn’t made a single time.

 
  This bothers me so much.
 
  It's not "In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit"!
 
  It's "In the name of the Father, AND OF THE Son, AND OF THE Holy Spirit"!!
 
  "In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti" is not properly translated any other way!
 
  I hate when priests do that.

[spasiisochrani]

1. We never made the Sign of the Cross.

After our president stood to greet us, a priest approached the podium to give us a blessing. But instead of the traditional Catholic sacramental, "In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit," the priest said only: "Let us place ourselves in the presence of God." In fact, in the entire two hour ceremony, the Sign of the Cross wasn’t made a single time.

This bothers me so much.

It's not "In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit"!

It's "In the name of the Father, AND OF THE Son, AND OF THE Holy Spirit"!!

"In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti" is not properly translated any other way!

I hate when priests do that.

Your way is definitely better, although I'm not sure the other is out-and-out inaccurate.  What I hate is when the kid who's the "troop chaplain" in my kid's scout troop begins prayers with a cursory sign of the cross and a mumbled "Father, Son, Holy Spirit".  I could kick him.

[QuisUtDeus]

The best theology teachers I had at my Catholic university were the Protestant ones.  At least they didn't throw away the 10 Commandments.

 

Well, except one Scripture professor was completely apostate and modernist.  He was teaching that the Jews used to worship a female diety along with YHVH.

 

I wrote in a paper that if this were true, then Slayer was right in their song "Jesus Saves" - that it's a big lie and we've been brainwashed, and I quoted it to him.

 

You go to the church, you kiss the cross
You will be saved at any cost
You have your own reality
Christianity
You spend your life just kissing @$$
A trait that's grown as time has passed
You think the world will end today
You praise the Lord, it's all you say

 

He gave me back some nonsense about how we should find the truth about God (LOL!).  But I still got an A on my paper, so he was at least fair academically.

 

The thing with worshipping a female diety is because some semitic cults did (I think the name is Ashera or something like that), and they found female "goddess" statues in a heap somewhere.  The feminist archaeologists (archaeology is the biggest pseudo-science in the world) said it was proof of the "goddess" in Judaism and Christianity.

 

Then, someone brought up an interesting point.  If these were statues of the "feminine divine" and sacred to the early Jews, why were they found in a trash heap?  Further investigation leads some to believe these were actually from a fringe group of apostates especially since the Jews did not tolerate graven images of any sort.

 

There is an old saying.  At college you tend to lose two things:  your viriginity and your faith.

 

EDIT:  This turned out to be my post #666.  Hmm....

[DominusTecum]

Anybody who says that "Public colleges are the best way to go in our time" are telling me two things. A) They clearly have too much time on their hands, and B) They haven't attended one recently.

 

Why should I pay $thousands to be brainwashed into a modernistic communist and be surrounded by pure unadulterated cesspools of immorality and filth?? Not only that, but chances are my education will be second-rate as well! Consider.... if I go into philosophy, they'll teach me garbage. If I go into religion, in any place, I'll get garbage. The whole atmosphere of a public university is a concentrated soup of worldliness and wrong-thinking. If I go into the engineering, I MIGHT get a decent education. Biology, they will ram evolution down my throat. They'll probably ram it down my throat anyway. Archaeology and History and that stuff, same deal... all garbage. You cannot trust a thing that a professor teaches you at a public university, and have to do almost double the work, because you have to ingest it, and then you have to carefully vet it to reject the rampant errors. It's not worth it. We havent' even gotten into the disgusting immorality that is literally EVERYWHERE.

 

 

[liliaagri]

Anybody who says that "Public colleges are the best way to go in our time" are telling me two things. A) They clearly have too much time on their hands, and B) They haven't attended one recently.

 

 ...We havent' even gotten into the disgusting immorality that is literally EVERYWHERE.

  

Actually, I'm at one right now, and I have very little time on my hands because my classes are very demanding, although some semesters are better than others.

 

And yes, immorality is everywhere. Including at your McDonalds down the street.

 

I agree with what was said about commuting to school and living at home, which is what I do. I wouldn't send my worst enemy to a college dorm.

 

The expense of a university is certainly a consideration, but the public university I attend costs about one tenth of what a private college would cost. I also think that some people (those who would benefit from a college degree rather than from going into some other field or trade) should think ahead to the next generation--maybe if you work a minimum wage job your whole life, your children won't be able to go to college either. Maybe there are some sacrifices now that could be made so that in the future there would be better options for everyone. It seems like we would all like a good, Traditional Catholic college, but this simply isn't going to happen if there are no educated Traditional Catholics.

 

I've said this before. You can get a good education even amidst all the errors and nonsense; you just have to be willing to dig for it.