Wives' Submission

[QuisUtDeus]

Lock yourself in, watch nothing but UFC, everything you eat comes out of the micro or delivered in a cardboard box, and don't bathe for a week.  That will put some hair on yer chest.

 

Women will have nothing to do with ya, but you'll be more manly.

 

Here's some UFC video to get you started:

 

 

What to do if some guy tries to kiss you:

 

[Psyche]

How can I do that when I did not get manliness instilled in me at a young age?

 

This very attitude is unmanly.  You're shooting yourself in the foot.

 

My husband and I were taught in our Pre-Cana classes by an SSPX priest very specifically: the husband has the absolute last word and must be submitted to by the wife only when the decision or issue involves the financial good of the family unit.  Everything else is up for debate.  This makes sense because while it ensures a patriarchy it also ensures that the husband does not take advantage of his wife and demand that she only ever wear red socks, or does not bathe on Thursdays, or some other silliness.

 

I guess I will probably get jumped on for saying that, but come on, men!  Do you really think you can't be men unless your wife has to obey your every wish and command?  You think it's sinful for your wife to say "Get it yourself" when you demand a beer while lying on the sofa?

 

Being a real man includes not needing or wanting to use your wife as your personal doormat.

[creimann]

the husband has the absolute last word and must be submitted to by the wife only when the decision or issue involves the financial good of the family unit.

Did he happen to cite anything that contains this helpful clarification?

[creimann]

I would think it possible for a man to be unjust in financial affairs.

[Psyche]

 

the husband has the absolute last word and must be submitted to by the wife only when the decision or issue involves the financial good of the family unit.

Did he happen to cite anything that contains this helpful clarification?

No, and I'm sorry he didn't because people have expressed incredulity to me at what he said, so I wish I had some hard documentation to back it up.  BUT we were young and trusting of this SSPX priest we respect (there's nothing wrong with that) and didn't ask for any proof of what he was teaching us. 

 

He and other SSPX priests I know have stressed that marriage is not submission of one to the other but submission of both to God.  IOW, husband and wife should imitate St. Joseph and Mary, who had a holy competition with eachother to see who could serve the other more perfectly!!  Of course, Mary always won because she was always more perfect . . .

[Psyche]

 

I would think it possible for a man to be unjust in financial affairs.

Totally.  I heard of one instance where all the spending money or "pin money" one husband would allow his wife was the change from his trouser pockets at the end of each day.  My mom told me at the end of six months the wife was able to buy a new hat.  Yikes!!

[creimann]

Hm, I think this about money may be a bit of a canard. I think there is something to it, like for example, if the man is the main breadwinner, and he needs to move for the sake of his career, then the rest of the family should follow. But budgetary matters should be a matter of agreement. Most of the issues are amenable to study, and two heads are better than one. Perhaps if they come to two conclusions the wife can accept the husband's point of view, but this wouldn't be so good, IMO, if that point of view embodies some radically different perspective. For example, if the husband insists that living in a cramped apartment is fine, while the wife thinks a yard would be better for the children, I would think it better to keep working on that one rather than just accepting it.

[Varus]

Kepha,

 

Try to man up a little. I agree with Psyche that your attitude to this is very unmanly. Don't talk about it to anyone, except maybe a good friend whom you can ask for help with the "how-to-do-it". Even if you really are a whimp, try to make it look like you aren't. Get my point? The appearance is a start!

 

[Kephapaulos]

 

Kepha,

 

Try to man up a little. I agree with Psyche that your attitude to this is very unmanly. Don't talk about it to anyone, except maybe a good friend whom you can ask for help with the "how-to-do-it". Even if you really are a whimp, try to make it look like you aren't. Get my point? The appearance is a start!

 

Well, I believe I said the statement I said before out of stress at that time. I take it back. I have had the tendency to be passive, but really I do not always let things go by. Please understand where I come from. My father was one who neglected the emotional and much of the spiritual responsibilities of being a father, which still goes on to this day. My stepfather did some good things for me when I was younger and sometimes still does, but he sometimes has now in especially recents ended up being verbally abuse to me and more so my mother. I am sorry for speaking bad of my father and stepfather, but I also ask then that they have your prayers. Do not think bad of my father and stepfather though. Pray for my mother especially, who suffers a lot with many issues. Also pray for my sister that she not be so worldly. And please pray for me to man up!

 

EDIT: Hey, Varus, was I not man enough to actually end up not taking your advice since I have not talked about my issue to a fried but here on FE rather? :D

[LovelyKatieLynn]

Kepha,

My boyfriend enjoyed reading Man of Steel and Velvet to learn about masculinity.