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« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2006, 07:40:PM »

There is no SSPX schism, and there will never be one. The SSPX has other conditions and reasons fpr existence and being than this new Priestly Institute of the Good Shepherd (Institut Sacerdotal du Bon Pasteur).

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« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2006, 11:00:AM »

This is the text of the decree of erection of the new Institute from Father Aulagnier's website:

 

http://la.revue.item.free.fr/commission_pontifical.htm

 

Not much new here but it should be noted that yesterday there was an undocumented comment by unnamed “Vatican sources” to the effect that “the Holy Father wishes to establish that the Traditional Missal is not a separate missal, but as a mere variation of the Roman Rite.” The following paragraph seems to negate this rumour:

 

« Enfin, aux membres de cet Institut, elle confère le droit de célébrer la liturgie sacrée, en utilisant, et vraiment comme leur rite propre, les livres liturgiques en vigueur en 1962, à savoir le missel romain, le rituel romain et le pontifical romain pour conférer les ordres, et aussi le droit de réciter l’office divin selon le bréviaire romain édité la même année. »

 

“Finally, to the members of this Institute (the Commission) confers the right to celebrate the sacred liturgy using, and truly as their own rite, the liturgical books in force in 1962, namely the Roman Missal, the Roman Ritual, and the Roman Pontifical for conferring Orders, as well as the right to recite the Divine Office according to the Roman Breviary published the same year.” (Emphasis mine - Mornac).

 

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« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2006, 12:16:PM »

The establishment of this new Institute and the unnamed source (wasn't it Cardinal Ricard, by the way? I seem to remember that.) stating that the Holy Father wishes to establish the Traditional Missal as variation of the Roman Missal, can be interpreted in many ways, I guess.

 

The way I see it, considering the obligation we have as Catholics to do our best to interpret things in a positive way, this means:

 

1. There is a good solution to the "problem" concerning the SSPX in the horizon. Note that the decree of erection mentions that it is permissible(not only that, but actually encouraged) to critique VaticanII if done in a "constructive and legitimate way". Virtually every scholarly critique of VII falls  in this category, i.e correcting "possible errors" and "reinterpreting ambiguity"

 

2. The priests of the Institute says the TLM exclusively. No chance of a "time bomb" like protocol1411, since it is explicitly mentioned in the statutes.

 

3. The TLM is now, according to the Holy Father, a mere variation of the Roman Missal. (Note that it doesn't say the Normative Missal) And which Bishop has the authority to deny a priest in good standing to follow the Roman Missal when he says his Mass? If I look at it extremely positively, I am allmost lead to believe that Quo Primum is reinvoked from the Vatican...

 

4. This was not done for priests who wanted to leave the SSPX, but for priests who had already left, for various reasons. Laguerie et al did not leave or get expelled for doctrinal reasons, nor because they view VII favourably and suddenly turned Novus Ordo. Essentially, they hold the same views in that regard as do most SSPX priests.

 

In short, maybe this is  the first sign of good will that Bishop Fellay has asked for?

 

Quote from: Mornac

This is the text of the decree of erection of the new Institute from Father Aulagnier's website:

 

http://la.revue.item.free.fr/commission_pontifical.htm

 

Not much new here but it should be noted that yesterday there was an undocumented comment by unnamed “Vatican sources” to the effect that “the Holy Father wishes to establish that the Traditional Missal is not a separate missal, but as a mere variation of the Roman Rite.” The following paragraph seems to negate this rumour:

 

« Enfin, aux membres de cet Institut, elle confère le droit de célébrer la liturgie sacrée, en utilisant, et vraiment comme leur rite propre, les livres liturgiques en vigueur en 1962, à savoir le missel romain, le rituel romain et le pontifical romain pour conférer les ordres, et aussi le droit de réciter l’office divin selon le bréviaire romain édité la même année. »

 

“Finally, to the members of this Institute (the Commission) confers the right to celebrate the sacred liturgy using, and truly as their own rite, the liturgical books in force in 1962, namely the Roman Missal, the Roman Ritual, and the Roman Pontifical for conferring Orders, as well as the right to recite the Divine Office according to the Roman Breviary published the same year.” (Emphasis mine - Mornac).

 

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« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2006, 12:50:PM »

       I remember Fr. Zendejas, SSPX, mention on a retreat that the SSPX should have 1000+ priests in the world, but because of all the defections it stands at about 450 or so. This happens when people start to care about human respect....

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« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2006, 02:53:PM »

Quote from: Credo

I remember Fr. Zendejas, SSPX, mention on a retreat that the SSPX should have 1000+ priests in the world, but because of all the defections it stands at about 450 or so. This happens when people start to care about human respect....


 ...or reconciliation with Rome.
 
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« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2006, 05:09:PM »

Someone has to produce good priests.  If that becomes the SSPX's historical note, that they filled the Church with good priests, that is nothing to sneeze at.

 

Most of the novus ordo seminaries are failing at the task.  Christ has to get His priests from somewhere.

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« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2006, 10:46:PM »

Please also check out the thread "Insitute Good Sheperd" at the Indult "vs." SSPX forum on this matter.

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« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2006, 05:38:PM »

Some highlights of an interview with Fr. Leszek Krolikowski who has left the SSPX for the newly founded Institute of the Good Shepherd. The translation is my own so I invite corrections:

http://qien.free.fr/2006/200609/20060923_prawy_fr.htm

 

"The Institute is a society of apostolic life just like the Pallotins(?), the Jesuits or the FSSP. It is directly dependant on the Holy See, which in it’s contact with the Institute is represented by Cardinal Hoyos as president of the Commission Ecclesia Dei. The Institute has the right to establish personal parishes, functioning on a principle similar to a military ordinariate. One thing to note: the traditional liturgy is recognized as the proper rite of the Institute, which means, among other things, that the priests of the Institute cannot celebrate the Mass of the council. This anticipates the pontifical document scheduled for November, which will authorize every priest of the Latin rite to celebrate traditional Mass publicly. The Institute has obtained the right to criticize the Second Vatican Council in a constructive way, and even has as its mission preparation of its authentic interpretation by the ecclesiastical institution. One can consider without exaggeration that these rights exceed what Mgr Lefebvre claimed, which was no more than the freedom to make “the experiment of Tradition”."

 

 

(All emphasese mine - Mornac)

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« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2006, 05:48:PM »

Is there a running figure as to how many priests now belong to this Institute?

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« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2006, 06:09:PM »

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Is there a running figure as to how many priests now belong to this Institute?

less than 10. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_of_the_Good_Shepherd

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