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[QuisUtDeus]

 

 

DICI #100
Explanations regarding recent events concerning the SSPX in Bordeaux, France

 

http://www.sspx.org/miscellaneous/dici_100.htm

 

Thank you, obscurus! 

[jovan66102]

 

Interesting.

 

I'm not sure why Father is in quotes with regard to Father Coomaraswamy.   

 

He was a married man with a living wife when he was "ordained " in the Western Rite. I may be wrong, but my understanding is that without a papal dispensation, this would be no ordination at all.

It is valid but illicit.  It results in automatic excommunication.  The very early Western Rite had married priests and bishops, so marriage can't affect validity.

 

He and his wife had also taken a vow of celibate marriage.  Given his age and that he was dying of cancer, keeping the vow doesn't seem improbable.

 

So, regardless, his marital status doesn't change the validity of his ordination.

 

EDIT: clarify point about married western rite clergy

 

I stand corrected and shall remove the quotes.

[QuisUtDeus]

The dici article only talks about one priest, and it mentions nothing of a conspiratorial nature.  In fact, it just looks like he saw problems at the Seminary, voiced them publically, and got slapped down for how he voiced them.

 

Then, he refused to submit to his superior over the punishment (being moved to a different position) and was expelled.

 

The fact that they wanted to move him and not remove him from a priory altogether leads me to believe they didn't think he was harmful to Catholic morals, just that he had a bad attitude.  Whether he had a bad attitude or was correct in what he did, is irrelevant for the moment.

 

I just see an issue with obedience, not with any kind of occultic or heretical leanings.  The Knight's newsletter mentions other priests, but I don't see anything about them in the dici article.

 

At this point, I have to relegate those things to rumor unless I see something else.

[Mark]

It is important to realize that Fr. Aulagnier, the first superior general of the FSSPX in France (1976-1994), is a member of the new Institute.

 

I bellieve it is Fr. Schmidberger who was the first General Superior from 1982-1994.

 

 

[Clarkthepapist]

 

It is important to realize that Fr. Aulagnier, the first superior general of the FSSPX in France (1976-1994), is a member of the new Institute.

 

I bellieve it is Fr. Schmidberger who was the first General Superior from 1982-1994.

 

 

I think he ment the first district superior of France.

[Mernoc]

Why is it that members of the SSPX are the only people that Rome now tries to 'convert'?

As time goes by the followers of tradition are becoming more and more divided, how will this institute be any better than the FSSP or ICKSP?

If it is just the same as the other traditional priestly groups then why not have the priests become members of one of those encouraging unity rather than yet another separate group?

If it is going to be better than those two organisations then why not improve what we already have rather than start a new separate group?

[QuisUtDeus]

I will take it upon myself to answer your clearly rhetorical questions.

 

Why is it that members of the SSPX are the only people that Rome now tries to 'convert'?

 

Because all faiths are equal now.  Except traditional Catholicism.

As time goes by the followers of tradition are becoming more and more divided, how will this institute be any better than the FSSP or ICKSP?

 

More orders for Rome to suppress at a later date.  Maybe one will squeak through and ordain their own bishop only to repeat the whole thing all over again.

 

If it is just the same as the other traditional priestly groups then why not have the priests become members of one of those encouraging unity rather than yet another separate group?

 

They probably "re-united" under the condition they get their own group.

 

If it is going to be better than those two organisations then why not improve what we already have rather than start a new separate group?

 

One word:  power