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[Kenny]

Under the present unfortunate circumstances, I'm not so sure St. Pius X himself would agree with that. Having considered whether it's more important to avoid needless "N.O." Masses or to follow the explicit teaching of St. Pius X on the importance of daily Communion, I would follow the teaching.

On the other hand, under the circumstances, attendance at daily "N.O." Masses could be seen as a sort of conditional necessity, on the presupposition that we should follow the teaching on daily Communion so far as legitimately possible!

Far be it from me to venture what Pope St Pius X would say or think, but to adhere to his admonishment of daily Communion at the risk of exposing myself to spiritual danger and heresy at a dubious Mass? Methinks not!

[QuisUtDeus]

Under the present unfortunate circumstances, I'm not so sure St. Pius X himself would agree with that. Having considered whether it's more important to avoid needless "N.O." Masses or to follow the explicit teaching of St. Pius X on the importance of daily Communion, I would follow the teaching.

 

I agree with you in principle, but, that's the confusion.  St. Pius X also spoke out against Modernism, and the NO is full of it.  Not de facto, necessarily, but most of the NO Masses I've been to have it.

If I have to go, I go.  If it's nutty in there, I leave.  Not sure what else can be done.  I have to tell you, though, I've walked out of most NO Masses in the last 10 years, and I'm not particularly scrupulous.  Interestingly, I mostly leave when the priest is about halfway through his homily spouting some heresy or near-heresy.

[Catholicmilkman]

In necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus caritas. - St Augustine of Hippo.

Quoted by Blessed John XXIII in his first encyclical, Ad Petri Cathedram.

what I can be sure of is if there is no necessity to assist at a N.O. Mass, it is best not to.

Under the present unfortunate circumstances, I'm not so sure St. Pius X himself would agree with that. Having considered whether it's more important to avoid needless "N.O." Masses or to follow the explicit teaching of St. Pius X on the importance of daily Communion, I would follow the teaching.

On the other hand, under the circumstances, attendance at daily "N.O." Masses could be seen as a sort of conditional necessity, on the presupposition that we should follow the teaching on daily Communion so far as legitimately possible!

Blessings,

Don McMaster

Daily Communion was only a suggestion by St. Pius X and not a command or law put on the whole Church. The Law of the Church still stands that Catholics must only confess and Communicate once a year during Eastertime. As well the Church has always allowed for the faithful to not have to receive doubtful Sacraments. It's better to be safe than sorry so I'll watch and wait for a dogmatic Council to define on this matter until that time I will continue to offer the Holy Sacrifice at SSPX missions with complete orthodoxy.

[CounterRevolutionary]

 

Couterevolutionary

 

There is a three fold saying in the Church in Latin which I can't remember. My Latin is hopeless. It basically goes something like this. The things of which we are certain (dogma) we must agree. The things of which we are not certain(doctrine) we don't necessarily have to agree and there are other things which simply don't concern us. Or something like that. Don't get too concerned if you don't agree that the novus ordo Mass is this or that. You possibly don't have to agree with the author of this article.

 

I really think that in order to discern your vocation you could do better than this forum. I'm not saying it doesn't have a legitimate place or function, just that it has it's natural limitations. It's a good place to have your say, ask a question, wind people up and watch them spin around and maybe pick up a few pointers, but not the place to decide if you are to become a Priest and where to be formed.

 

You should go and see the Priests and listen to their own stories. Even see more than one from a given order. Perhaps going on a couple of retreats and gaging their worth would be a good idea. Confusion is the problem today and no forum, even a good one likes this one is a solution for that.

 

Good luck. Don't forget to ask God what he wants, He's your prospective employer.

 

Agreed.

[Paul]

Daily Communion was only a suggestion by St. Pius X and not a command or law put on the whole Church. The Law of the Church still stands that Catholics must only confess and Communicate once a year during Eastertime. As well the Church has always allowed for the faithful to not have to receive doubtful Sacraments. It's better to be safe than sorry so I'll watch and wait for a dogmatic Council to define on this matter until that time I will continue to offer the Holy Sacrifice at SSPX missions with complete orthodoxy.

The obligation of receiving Communion is only once a year, but we receive graces every time we receive if we do so properly disposed. If attending the NO is too distracting for you, and a source of anger rather than devotion, then it's probably better to avoid daily Mass if there's no TLM available. But there are great advantages to receiving daily, and we shouldn't reject those graces without very careful consideration.

[Sophia]

So, let's see the plaintiff's case, purporting to prove that anyone who approves of the Novus Ordo Mass is in an ideological and doctrinal state of schism--and then it will be time for the defense case.

No, since the NO was the novelty, the deviation, the best course of action is to prove how it is compatible with 2000 years of Tradition.

 

Also, the NO is not "approved" in the same sense that the traditional rite and the other eastern rites were approved with a solemn Papal Bull.  No Bull has been issued to rescind Quo Primum, and no Bull was issued to promote the NO.  Its legal status is questionable, to say the least.

 

Seeing that most Catholics have lost their Faith because of the Novus Ordo, and the other novelties ushered in, the new Mass can easily be viewed as a danger to one's Faith, and therefore must be avoided.

[obscurus]

Someone can still "instruct the ignorant" without going to a Mass which deviates from all sense of the sacred and is celebrated by a priest who has no clue about what the Church teaches.  Doesn't a higher law override the Church's law to assist at Mass on Sunday if one cannot attend a TLM or the Eastern-rite?

 

*I know some would say a Novus Ordo Missae celebrated ad orientem and in the Latin, in other words according to the official books of the Vatican should be another option but de facto how many of these Masses even exist? Personally and really my opinion means nothing in the long run I believe the problems stem from even this Mass just as The Ottaviani Intervention indicates which I know is not a binding document but it still expresses a grave indictment of the Novus Ordo. 

 

Also what exactly constitutes the Novus Ordo Missae? Does Fr. Bob's Mass down the street with diocesan approval but which has practically no Offertory, has 10 "Eucharistic Ministers" distribute Communion (yes I know this does not touch the Mass per se) while the priest sits down,  and which is completely alien even to the official liturgical books published in Rome, constitute the NOM? Even with all this one is still obliged to go to such a Mass because "we must fulfill our Sunday obligation"? Aren't there grave reasons which would exempt one from this obligation?

 

Btw, I saw a "Children's Mass" about a year ago which pretty accurately fits the above description.  Talk about a minimalistic "liturgy"!  The children had their guitars and were singing some insipid song about who knows what, while the priest watched in boredom.  One of the young girls read the Epistle and then the priest who did read the Gospel gave a short sermon which unfortunately

did not have much substance whatsoever.  Basically I did not see an Offertory and when it came time for the Communion of the faithful there were about 10 EM's distributing Communion.  Now if you want to say "oh well if it had a valid Communion then that is all that matters" I am afraid one is missing the point and has seemed to develop a rather legalistic stance. (This is just my opinion and I am not judging souls) When has the Mass simply become a question of validity? Why should a Catholic expose oneself to this? Anyway....just some thoughts I had.

 

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[michaeorapronobis]

I still attend the Novus Ordo on Sundays - you have to fulfil your obligation to attend Mass. I do not receive Communion - that is not the obligation. I receive Communion only at Traditional Masses.

 

Rome (albeit a Rome infected with Modernism) approved the Novus Ordo, and no authority has stated that it is wrong. It is gravely deficient, and does not teach the faith properly, but it is still a Mass. No-one with authority has declared that the Novus Ordo is bad and that it is a sin to attend it, so judging it in this way is the same as sedevacantism.

 

This said, I would not attend the Novus Ordo if there was a Traditional Mass available every Sunday. I attend it now solely out of obligation.

[Sophia]

No-one with authority has declared that the Novus Ordo is bad and that it is a sin to attend it, so judging it in this way is the same as sedevacantism.

 

Non Sequitur

[Paul]

I still attend the Novus Ordo on Sundays - you have to fulfil your obligation to attend Mass. I do not receive Communion - that is not the obligation. I receive Communion only at Traditional Masses.

But why? If it's a valid Mass, then you're skipping an opportunity to receive our Lord in Communion and the graces which go with that. If things are so bad that you don't want to participate in sacrilege, then find another Mass. The NO is deficient compared to the TLM, and I know it varies from place to place, but I haven't seen most of the craziness described here. I expect female altar boys and readers, and hand-holding during the Pater noster, and an overuse of EMHCs, but such things are just part of the NO. Since the choice is the NO or nothing, I take my traditional Missal with me, pray the Mass, prepare myself for Communion, and receive Him. I think the problem isn't that most parishes want to offend God, but that people have gotten used to the way things are and lost their Catholic sense.