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CaroleK
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« on: October 18, 2006, 09:45:AM »

I'm looking into and praying about our Mass attendance options in our  new town.  So far it looks like our options are pretty limited  (not surprising since we're moving to the Deep South).  There is a  traditional Benedictine abbey relatively near by. 
 
  But I am concerned that they might be sedevacantist.  Though when  I ask questions of those familiar with the abbey I never get a straight  answer.  No one will state one way or the other.
 
  I don't want to open a debate about sedevacantism ... I just want to  know how you know if a traditional parish is or isn't sedevacantist.
 
  To be honest I lean toward the belief that if they won't answer a  straight question they probably are.  But I also don't want to  jump to conclusions.
 
  I'm very concerened about moving to a predominantly evangelical  Christian area and not having any real spiritual support.  The two  closest NO Catholic Churches seem quite "scary" to me in that they both  list 10 or more EMHCs for each Mass, female altar servers.  And  that's before we even set foot in the door.  On the same token I  do not know what my level of personal comfort is with sedevacantism.
 
  It is a difficult position which my husband and I are approaching with  prayer.  It is weighing very heavily on both of us. I appreciate  any input anyone can provide.
 
 
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GrumpyTroll
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« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2006, 09:55:AM »

If the abbey has a website, try and see if they refer to the Pope as such, do not refer to him at all or use terms such as the anti-Pope Benedict XVI (you never know); and try to see if they refer to the Holy Father at Mass or at the end of the pre-Mass rosary.
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DominusTecum
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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2006, 10:26:AM »

It's a difficult situation... They themselves might not be sede, but there may well be a majority of parishioners who are sede, which would also account for the edginess. Ask them from whence they derive their Holy Orders, that might be a start, also, about the history of the establishment.

 

I don't suppose there is any SSPX or good Indult within an hour or so?

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CaroleK
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« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2006, 10:48:AM »

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I don't suppose there is any SSPX or good Indult within an hour or so?

 
  Unfortunately there isn't.  In fact there isn't an SSPX in the  entire state.  And I haven't found anything on an Indult ...  except articles on a parish in GA which states that people come from as  far away as Alabama to attend Masses.  Which I assume means there  aren't any options in AL to keep them there.
 
  Looks like we're stuck.
 
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CaroleK
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« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2006, 02:30:PM »

Jarrod,
 
  Did you, by any chance, post this article in the wrong place?
 
 
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« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2006, 02:46:PM »

I assume you are talking about Christ the King Abbey located in Cullman, Alabama. Here is their website...http://www.christthekingabbey.org. My understanding is that they are just good independent traditional Catholics who don't consider themselves sedes, nor do they condemn the sedes. They don't want to argue with anyone about whether or not the seat is vacant they just simply want to be traditional Catholic monks living in the quietude of their monastery. I would go there in a heartbeat if I lived nearby. 
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« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2006, 02:47:PM »

You probably mean Christ the King Abbey (http://www.christthekingabbey.org/). They are Sedeprivationist, or adherents of the Cassiciacum Thesis , which holds, that the Roman Pontiffs Paul VI, John Paul I, John Paul II and Benedict XVI were/are materially Popes of the Roman Catholic Church, but formally are not, due to their personal heresies which hinder them from ruling legitimately and completely. They pray non Una Cum, they omit the name of the Supreme Pontiff, Benedict XVI, at the Canon of the Mass. I must say, that they are validly ordained clergymen, their abbot was ordained a priest during World War II and is an elderly man. Some of their monks were ordained priests in the line of Mons. Ngô dinh Thuc - Guérard des Lauriers by Bishop Robert Fidelis McKenna, validly (but from the official point of view: illegally).

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« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2006, 02:53:PM »

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The Abbey of Christ the King is a monastery of contemplative Benedictine monks established in order to preserve the traditional practices of the monastic life under the Holy Rule of St. Benedict and to maintain inviolate the traditional Catholic Faith, as taught and observed prior to Vatican Council II. The Abbey stands in resistance and opposition to the wave of Modernism that has invaded the Catholic Church, yet it is forever loyal to the traditional and orthodox teachings of that Roman and Apostolic Church. In all rites, ceremonies, and usages, the monastery shall adhere without exception to the established forms of holy tradition, cherishing the ancient and venerable as fitting for Divine worship, and shunning novel and strange forms as alien to Catholic tradition and unworthy of the expression of the Catholic Faith. Therefore, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass shall be offered by the priests of Christ the King Abbey, at all times and in all places, solely according to the form ordained by the Council of Trent and as codified in A.D. 1570 by Pope St. Pius V in the Bull, Quo Primum. he monastery was founded by Reverend Father Leonard Giardina, O.S.B., a monk since 1942 and a priest since 1949. Due to the devastating effects of the modernist changes in the Roman Catholic Church, brought about by Vatican Council II and its spirit, he left his original monastery. He soon realized that it was imperative that the traditional Benedictine way of life be preserved and kept alive for the welfare of the holy Catholic Faith. On July 13, 1994, he received the Abbatial Blessing by His Excellency, Bishop Robert F. McKenna, O.P. Although the Abbatial Blessing confers on him the title and power of an abbot over a monastery, it does not make him a bishop with the power of ordaining to the Holy Priesthood. bbot Leonard took the first steps to found the monastery in the year 1984. In April of 1985, land was purchased and shortly thereafter a temporary chapel, named after St. Francis of Assisi, was built. This chapel is no longer in use. Beside the chapel is a small house which was used as the first Novitiate. Like all great undertakings done for the love of God, it began small. Remembering his first days as a novice, Father Michael Sautner, O.S.B., can recall the very hard work and deprivations of those early days when there was so little. Father Michael is now the Abbey's Master of Ceremonies. Construction of a new and permanent monastery was begun in April of 1989 and completed in the dawn of 1990. The monastery itself, where the monks live and sleep, is a building designed to accommodate 20 to 25 monks. s soon as funds became available, construction of a proper monastic church was begun in October, 1992. In order to cut the cost of construction, the monks did as much of the work as possible themselves. Although the church was unfinished, the first Mass was offered to God in thanksgiving on the beautiful day of Christmas Eve, 1994. Finally, after three long years of hard work, the church was ready to be moved into. It was dedicated on April 23, 1995. hrist the King Abbey is located in Cullman, Alabama, in the northern section of the state, amongst the lovely rolling foothills of the Appalachian Mountains. The Abbey’s one hundred and forty acres of land are situated in a quiet countryside, amid beautiful scenery and a peaceful atmosphere. Even though several private residences are located nearby, the Abbey enjoys the privacy that a contemplative life requires. Yet all exterior peace and beauty will not unite the soul to God. The monk must earnestly strive to dispose the cloister of his soul for the pure prayer of contemplation, where God is intimately known, not by an abstract theoretical knowledge, but by love.
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CaroleK
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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2006, 03:01:PM »

Thank you everyone.  I was indeed talking about Christ the King in  Cullman, AL.  I did not want to use the name of the abbey because  I did not want to, even inadvertantly, slander the name of the abbey  since I did not know the answer to the question.
 
  I appreicate everyone who offered their time to me by answering my question and providing such informative responses!
 
  As I am sure you can imagine, we're approaching this relocation with  much excitement but also with some trepidation in regard to our  spiritual life.  But we are moving to be closer to my parents (who  are not in good health).  So not moving isn't an option.  I  suppose in some cases I am doing what I do best, worrying. 
 
  Thanks again.
 
 
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« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2006, 04:25:PM »

Why is that you don't want to hear Mass a sedevacantist chapel? Do you worry about the validity of the Sacraments?  

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