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Author Topic: Apocryphal Book of the Secrets of Enoch  (Read 813 times)
bupanishad2012
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« on: December 03, 2006, 10:49:PM »

Description of hell:

"Here they showed Enoch the terrible place and various tortures

1"And those two men led me up on to the Northern side, and showed me there a very terrible place, and there were all manner of tortures in that place: cruel darkness and unillumined gloom, and there is no light there, but murky fire constantly flaming aloft, and there is a fiery river coming forth, and that whole place is everywhere fire, and everywhere there is frost and ice, thirst and shivering, while the bonds are very cruel, and the angels fearful and merciless, bearing angry weapons, merciless torture, and I said:

2"Woe, woe, how very terrible is this place.

3"And those men said to me: This place, O Enoch, is prepared for those who dishonour God, who on earth practice sin against nature, which is child-corruption after the sodomitic fashion, magic-making, enchantments and devilish witchcrafts, and who boast of their wicked deeds, stealing, lies, calumnies, envy, rancour, fornication, murder, and who, accursed, steal the souls of men, who, seeing the poor take away their goods and themselves wax rich, injuring them for other men’s goods; who being able to satisfy the empty, made the hungering to die; being able to clothe, stripped the naked; and who knew not their creator, and bowed to the soulless and lifeless gods, who cannot see nor hear, vain gods, who also built hewn images and bow down to unclean handiwork, for all these is prepared this place among these, for eternal inheritance."

 

 

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« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2006, 10:58:PM »

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Description of hell:

"Here they showed Enoch the terrible place and various tortures

1"And those two men led me up on to the Northern side, and showed me there a very terrible place, and there were all manner of tortures in that place: cruel darkness and unillumined gloom, and there is no light there, but murky fire constantly flaming aloft, and there is a fiery river coming forth, and that whole place is everywhere fire, and everywhere there is frost and ice, thirst and shivering, while the bonds are very cruel, and the angels fearful and merciless, bearing angry weapons, merciless torture, and I said:

2"Woe, woe, how very terrible is this place.

3"And those men said to me: This place, O Enoch, is prepared for those who dishonour God, who on earth practice sin against nature, which is child-corruption after the sodomitic fashion, magic-making, enchantments and devilish witchcrafts, and who boast of their wicked deeds, stealing, lies, calumnies, envy, rancour, fornication, murder, and who, accursed, steal the souls of men, who, seeing the poor take away their goods and themselves wax rich, injuring them for other men’s goods; who being able to satisfy the empty, made the hungering to die; being able to clothe, stripped the naked; and who knew not their creator, and bowed to the soulless and lifeless gods, who cannot see nor hear, vain gods, who also built hewn images and bow down to unclean handiwork, for all these is prepared this place among these, for eternal inheritance."

 

 

The earliest literature of the so-called "Church Fathers" is filled with references to this mysterious book. The early second century "Epistle of Barnabus" makes much use of the Book of Enoch. Second and Third Century "Church Fathers" like Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Origen and Clement of Alexandria all make use of the Book of Enoch. Tertullian (160-230 C.E) even called the Book of Enoch "Holy Scripture". The Ethiopic Church even added the Book of Enoch to its official canon. It was widely known and read the first three centuries after Christ. This and many other books became discredited after the Council of Laodicea. And being under ban of the authorities, afterwards it gradually passed out of circulation. 
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« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2006, 03:21:PM »

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The earliest literature of the so-called "Church Fathers" is filled with references to this mysterious book. The early second century "Epistle of Barnabus" makes much use of the Book of Enoch. Second and Third Century "Church Fathers" like Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Origen and Clement of Alexandria all make use of the Book of Enoch.


What do you mean by so called "Church Fathers"? You are aware that St. Augustine and St. Jerome believed that the Apocrypha (At least the books that where excepted in the Canon ex. Tobit) where not of divine inspiration. Does that make them quote un-quote Church Fathers. If I misunderstood you I'm sorry.
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« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2006, 03:41:PM »

"Church Fathers" like Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Origen and Clement of Alexandria all make use of the Book of Enoch. Tertullian (160-230 C.E) even called the Book of Enoch "Holy Scripture".

 

Insofar as I am aware, the above-mentioned, while perhaps not Canonized, were part of the early "Church Fathers."  St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas did not exhaust the treasury of Christian (Catholic) doctrine.  Someone please correct me if I am wrong.  According to many Church scholars, the "apocryphal" books were useful, but not for doctrine (as, I think, St. Jerome said).  Without the "Enoch" books, no sense can be made of the statements in the New Testament Book of Jude.  It is a pity that the Protestants shut the door to the Canon without all of the Books of the Old Testament that we now accept (Tobit, Judith, Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus, etc.).  It does not break faith to search through the Dead Sea Scrolls or the Nag Hammadi Codices, or any of the other "apocryphal" books.  In fact, they were/are used extensively by Catholic scholars today.  We do not need to create a "new Church" just because these documents have come to light.  For instance, Dan Brown ("The DiVinci Code") was in gross and mortal error to use the "Mary Magdelene" books to spread his poison.

 

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