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Author Topic: Blog "Vive Christus Rex" closing  (Read 5320 times)
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« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2006, 12:14:PM »

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However, this is simply not to be, because the authorities of St. Mary's College, leaning toward a new policy of disallowing student websites, have asked us to close Vive Christus Rex.

 

What the Huh?? They don't allow students to have their own websites? It's just a blog...I always figured a blog to be an internet journal or diary. What is their motivation on this? It makes no sense to me at all. Waaayyyy too controlling for my taste. Freaky....

 
I, too, am deeply bothered by this. Any adherents of the Society care to comment? Remember, I am favourably disposed to the Society and its apostolate.

This is none of my business, but the answer you seek can only come from DT, and he chooses to obey his superiors and not comment.

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« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2006, 12:24:PM »

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I agree.  I, too, am favorably inclined towards the Society, but this has me wondering if maybe some of the horror stories about them are true.  This is really weird and cultish behavior on their part.

 

Jason and I only go to Society masses and I would have to say that St. Mary's is in a class by itself. We live over an hour from a SSPX parish with a school and active parish life and we've never heard of any rules like this. I don't think this is Society behavior in general as much as just St. Mary's rules.

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« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2006, 12:39:PM »

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I agree.  I, too, am favorably inclined towards the Society, but this has me wondering if maybe some of the horror stories about them are true.  This is really weird and cultish behavior on their part.

 

Jason and I only go to Society masses and I would have to say that St. Mary's is in a class by itself. We live over an hour from a SSPX parish with a school and active parish life and we've never heard of any rules like this. I don't think this is Society behavior in general as much as just St. Mary's rules.

I don't agree. I'm not saying the So

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DominusTecum
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« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2006, 02:13:PM »

Yes, I'm afraid it's true. I'm going to talk to Fr. Rector this afternoon, and we'll see what happens (in the meantime, I would certainly appreciate your prayers!)

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« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2006, 02:16:PM »

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I don't agree. I'm not saying the Society is bad news, but I've heard many horror stories, and I also have a few of my own which I won't go into here.


I'm reminded of Belloc who quipped that the Church teaches it is Divinely instituted and sustained, but he knew it because "no institution run with an equal mix of ineptitude and wickedness would have lasted a fortnight".

Every organization has it's bad apples. I'm a SSPX teacher and I have plenty of "horror stories", plenty of problems, plenty of priests who make plenty of mistakes, plenty of laity who are morons. From my days at an Independent chapel I can tell you there are twice as many of each at any Independent chapel than in the whole US SSPX. And the Indult and FSSP crowd has more than even the Independents and Sedevacantist combined.

The SSPX isn't the Church and it's certainly not perfect. If we expect it to be either, we're in for a great disappointment.

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The other point I want to make is that St. Mary's is run the way the SSPX wants it to be run, so you cannot divorce the school policies from the Society's viewpoints. They really are one and the same.


I would absolutely disagree here. Again, speaking with knowledge of the subject. The SSPX is quite a large organization. St. Mary's is run by the five or six priests that are there now (and mostly by the Rector and Pastor). I'm sure the SSPX higher-ups have plenty of input, but Bishop Fellay isn't managing the everyday affairs of St. Mary's, nor is Fr. Fullerton, and St. Mary's policy is certainly not SSPX policy.


Also, Eric said in the post that St. Mary's was leaning toward a new policy of disallowing student websites, and asked him to take his down. He did not say he was threatened with expulsion if he refused, he said that that was the apparent penalty of the forthcoming policy being considered and why he would not continue over the summer.


 

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I am appalled that they have forced Eric to dismantle something he labored for a year to build up. They are out of line.


If a confessor told someone to give up their live-in girlfriend they had been with for a year, no one would blink an eye. If a Catholic school said to a young man that he needed to give up his employment as an organist at the Anglican church, we'd also not think twice.  If a spiritual director said a young man should leave his high paying job and go to the seminary or the monastery, we would look at it as a great thing. Certainly the young man may have many feelings like that young man that asked Our Lord what he must do. "If thou wilt be perfect, go sell what thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come follow me."


In this case, Eric enrolled at St. Mary's not to be educated, but to be formed. A school, in the true sense, is for formation. So long as it is not immoral, if the superiors command something, you have a choice. If you desire to be formed, you obey. If not, you leave. I see no injustice there, but much logic. Just as a seminarian does not get to decide if his spiritual director is competent, the student does not get to pick and choose parts of the formation that suit him. If he wants to go to a different director or a different school, fine.


If he does not want the formation offered, he should not be there.

Clearly, Eric does want the formation they offer.

The problem is that we approach it from a very American viewpoint. He was writing very Godly things, and certainly that must be good. I enjoyed his writing, myself and do see it as a great loss. Yet is blogging his vocation? Is that good for him? Good for his formation? Or are we more concerned about ourselves?

Is it not very selfish of us to say that our (I include myself here) addictions to the Internet, our "need" for knowledge, our view that the someone must always be around to critique the modern world somehow make a just request by Eric's superiors unjust?

From what some of said it sounds like they feel it is unjust that St. Mary's is taking Vive Christus Rex from them!

Indeed, where does Eric get his knowledge, where do all of us old blogger get our knowledge? I'm reminded of what Dr. Senior said in his Restoration of Christian Culture, quoting a Saint (though I forget which one). When asked what to read, this Saint said, "Read anything by someone with 'Saint' in front of their name". All the Saints say essentially the same thing. Flee from materialism and the pomps of the world, the flesh and the devil and follow the example of Christ.

Eric has expounded on that point quite well in the past.

Who are we to say that St. Mary's is out of line? Who made us their judges?
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« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2006, 03:12:PM »

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If a confessor told someone to give up their live-in girlfriend they had been with for a year, no one would blink an eye. If a Catholic school said to a young man that he needed to give up his employment as an organist at the Anglican church, we'd also not think twice.

 

This example does not make sense becausethese are sins. Of course no one would bat an eye at a priest counseling against these things. There is nothing sinful about keeping a blog, or having a website.

 

 

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If a spiritual director said a young man should leave his high paying job and go to the seminary or the monastery, we would look at it as a great thing.

 

This is a vocation calling...this has nothing to do with keeping a blog online. Your examples deal with what is better for your soul.

 

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Who are we to say that St. Mary's is out of line? Who made us their judges?
 

 

We are rational human beings who have to be careful in these crazy times. Just as we question the motives of the liberals, we can question the motives of the ultra-conservatives. This is a college--a school for grown adults who should have had their formation time in high school and throughout their teenage years under their parents. Honestly when you start having your mail read, not allowed to leave the campus without being signed in and out and stared strangely at, and now told never to have your own webpage or internet journal, it begins to sound like a controlling little cult instead of an institute of higher learning. 

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« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2006, 03:15:PM »

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The SSPX isn't the Church and it's certainly not perfect. If we expect it to be either, we're in for a great disappointment.

I agree.  I am concerned, however, that members of the SSPX often act as if it were the Church.  When a pastor forbids the parishioners from going to the Indult on principle for example (and not because this or that Indult is good or bad,) I believe it is because of this misguided notion. 


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 St. Mary's policy is certainly not SSPX policy.

 

That's important, and comforting to know.


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If a confessor told someone to give up their live-in girlfriend they had been with for a year, no one would blink an eye. If a Catholic school said to a young man that he needed to give up his employment as an organist at the Anglican church, we'd also not think twice.

 

Living in sin and attending heretical services, are intrinsically wrong.  I am not sure how this can apply to the maintenance of a blog.  The activity of keeping a blog is morally neutral.  It is one thing to make a policy for students based on preferences, and quite another to declare those preferences to be of the mind of the Church.  I certainly hope that this new policy is not due to the school's own personal interpretation of morality.

 

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 If a spiritual director said a young man should leave his high paying job and go to the seminary or the monastery, we would look at it as a great thing.

 

Is this a matter of spiritual direction?  I thought it was a matter of the school policy.  I wonder if they asked him to take it down because they didn't like what he was saying.  I hope Eric will be able to enlighten us publicly without further jeopardizing his status.  


 

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« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2006, 03:36:PM »

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Living in sin and attending heretical services, are intrinsically wrong.  I am not sure how this can apply to the maintenance of a blog.  The activity of keeping a blog is morally neutral.  It is one thing to make a policy for students based on preferences, and quite another to declare those preferences to be of the mind of the Church.  I certainly hope that this new policy is not due to the school's own personal interpretation of morality.


...Is this a matter of spiritual direction? I thought it was a matter of the school policy. I wonder if they asked him to take it down because they didn't like what he was saying. I hope Eric will be able to enlighten us publicly without further jeopardizing his status.


Indeed living in sin and attending a heretical service are immoral, that wasn't the point of the comparison. It's convenient to be able to dismiss comparisons thus, but clearly that was not my point. That is why I included the comparison of a man with a well-paying job being told to attend the seminary or to enter the monastery.


One could include as well the instruction by the rector of a seminary for a man to leave as he did not have a vocation. At the point it does not matter what the man thinks, if that decision is justly made, it is the Will of God.


Same with the transfer of priests. A just command by a superior is the Will of God.


The comparison was that we would praise the authority that instructed the man to stop living in sin, to stop attending the heretical service, and we would be inspired by the man who gave up earthly wealth for the seminary or monastery.


The policy of a Catholic school is not just the arbitrary will of the Rector (or at least should not be), but supposed to be for the good of the students' formation, spiritual and philosophical.


Ultimately, yes, it is a matter of spiritual direction. A Catholic School policy should be a general spiritual direction, with, ideally, individual direction by specific priests.


Why are seminarians not allowed to keep blogs?

Perhaps they did ask him to take it down because they did not like what he was saying. We don't know this. Eric did not suggest that.  Until Eric tells us this is the rationale then it is awfully uncharitable to the Rector and the school to speculate. Seems to me just a less severe form of gossip.


If that were the case the justice could be questioned, but I see no reason to question the justice of this, at least as Eric has presented it.


Again what makes us the judge and jury of Fr. Greigo and his faculty?

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« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2006, 03:49:PM »

Eric,
 
  Try to save the files to you blog before you take it down.   Perhaps someone else can publish it.  We're going to fight this.
 
 
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« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2006, 04:02:PM »

 

     MagisterMusicae you hit the nail on the head! 

 

     St.Marys forms a student in a certain way.  

Every school will have its rules. 

 

     God bless you Eric and keep the faith!

 

 

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