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Author Topic: Is it that important to wear a suit to Church?  (Read 2943 times)
Supplex
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« Reply #30 on: December 18, 2006, 10:26:PM »

I was told we wear the best we have because we are going in front of God. When people go in front of respected people they meet them in suits or best they have, why does God deserve less. By saying this I don't think it is that you have to wear a suit, but you wear the best you have. I remember a boy who would come to mass by himself in jeans and a T-shirt, and this was SSPX. They allowed him to do it because it was the best he had, until they donated 3 suits to him. It's about looking your best for God because he deserves the highest respect and honor, whatever that is for the culture you live in.

 

God Bless

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winoblue1
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« Reply #31 on: December 19, 2006, 12:35:AM »

I agree with the previous post,,,,,  I used to wear slacks, a collar shirt a tie and a sweater, but then i realized that this is too casual. The reason I figured this out is because every single day I have to wear a suit to work to meetings and so why would I make more of an effort to dress respectfully for man and not for God.

 

Just think of it this way, if you were to meet the President or the Queen or some other very important person what would you wear?... Now that you have this mental picture in your head, - wear this to mass.

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DominusTecum
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« Reply #32 on: December 19, 2006, 02:20:AM »

The fashions which we now call "Standard dress attire" originated circa 1870-1910 in Britain, specifically London and vicinity. They are worn because they are accepted dress attire.

 

So long as it is modest, if something that resembles Jeans and a T-Shirt (maybe with elegant brocades or something, I hope, the concept fills me with dread) ever becomes "formal dress attire," then you can wear it to Mass. Until then, try not to wear something that you wouldn't be comfortable calling on Queen Elizabeth in. She's only an earthly monarch, Our Lord is your Heavenly monarch.

 

We are Catholics, and as such, have a respect for tradition. Tradition, the heritage of a Catholic-minded civilization, civilizes us. It tells us that it's NOT ok to go meet either monarch or God in T-shirt and jeans, or boxer shorts, or some kind of so overly-elaborate and out of place garment that one will attract undue attention.

 

One could, in fact, argue that the suit is unbecoming for another reason. The sack suit as we know it today originated as leisurewear. British gentlemen on their country estates preferred to hunt, rather than spend time at court. Consequently, the attire which we now consider a "suit" originated as a rather abbreviated hunting coat. The colors came from the industrial-revolution-age cities, where the dirt and soot made black, dark blue, and grey (the darker the better) ideal colors. Furthermore, the matching coat and trousers of a suit were originally a casual adaptation -it was considered more formal to wear trousers of a different color than coat or waistcoat. Presumably, the only reason that Traditional Catholic men "compromise" for this suit, which had its origins in leisure rather than formality, is that it would look out of place to wear any other, since the international canon of style has centered on the sack suit as the accepted dress in almost every public circumstance of note.

 

Also, it's worth noting that while some men, including myself, would love to go for the frock coat, there are several dissuading reasons. First, frock coats are exceptionally difficult to find today, given that they are never worn and would attract attention if they were. Secondly, frock coats have an unshakable affiliation, in our post-formal world, with protestant ministers who wore them as a sort of "garb of office" for many years, many still doing so. Finally, there's no need to go back to the frock coat, when the sack suit is both fully modest by all reasonable standards, and is the accepted daily dress wear.

 

One might ask why we don't wear tuxedos to Mass, given that they are more formal, and "after all, we must need to wear whatever we have that's most formal to Church, right?" In this case, however, the answer would be an unequivocal "no." Tuxedos are only to be worn in polite society after 5pm, or dusk, whichever occurs first. Therefore, as Mass is not usually after five, this explains the lack of black tie clothing. Further, even assuming Mass is after 5pm, Christmas Eve or Easter Vigil, for example, the general lack of such formalwear by most men prevents its appearance. Those men who do own it would be ill-advised to wear it, even should it be possible, given that it would at that point become conspicuous and distracting.

 

Distraction is only good if the principle demands it -this is why a man would be well within his rights to wear his suit at Mass, even if every other man were wearing a polo shirt and jeans. He ought to feel satisfied, knowing that he, at least, has upheld the decorum due at Mass, even if he is the only one who has done so. This is, in effect, why frock coats lingered as long as they did; the older men who wore them were unwilling to capitulate to the seeming loss of decorum, but the younger men recognized that the styles had simply changed. To illustrate this: I have a copy of Emily Post's superb book "Etiquette," from 1949. It states clearly that the sack suit is proper attire in public for all, and that the frock coat is equally proper, but only for "older men and clergy."

 

 

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mistman
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« Reply #33 on: December 19, 2006, 02:36:AM »

These replies have improved my mood so Merry Christmas to all, even to those that disagree...or missed the point Smile In Tsarist Russia, before 1801, maybe even later, appearing at court functions without a wig, or in a three cornered hat, or ANYTHING suggestive of the French or American Revolutions was considered almost treasonous and an affront to the Imperial Majesty. I'm not sure what the rule was at mass, especially amongst the peasants, but I'd imagine the Orthodox Church was pretty conservative about these things too. I really want people to create culture that reflects Catholic tradition, instead of reflecting the "Western" business world. I'd be the first guy to admit that almost anything would be better than what some people wear to mass in certain "modern" Catholic Churches. I believe that people should be properly covered, both sexes, and that this covering should reflect modesty and restraint. Children are very impressionable and ugly clothing at Church could affect their taste in other things. So, the people who think that I see nothing wrong with a "thong or bikini," well, that isn't true. And as a side note, I'm not totally putting down American fashions either. There is a certain restrained beauty in Puritan culture and even the "modern girl" of the "roaring 20's" had some charm, like the flapper girls, etc. I am even thinking of buying a Leave it to Beaver DVD, lol.  But overall, these replies are cheering, so cheers.

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winoblue1
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« Reply #34 on: December 19, 2006, 02:55:AM »

this all reminds me of the quote:

 

"He is best dressed, whose dress is unnoticed."

 

 

However, I don't think this means that one should wear casual clothes if most others do, but that one shouldn't stand out and draw unnecessary attention to one's clothes.

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CatholicLady
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« Reply #35 on: December 23, 2006, 06:51:PM »

Quote from: Mariafrombrazil

Well, I'll just give an example. My husband does not have a suit. Actually, he has one but it does not fit him anymore. We cannot afford one right now. He will not go to church without a shirt though, for that's what he wears to work everyday. He'll not wear a T-shirt or shorts to Mass, but since he only has two formal pants, if they're wet or dirty, he'll have to wear his pair of jeans. (Yes, my husband only has 3 pants!)

So, my point is, he tries his best and gives his best to God on Sunday Mass. But we've learned from experience that we should not judge what other people wear to Mass. Of course, we do not agree with immodest clothing. But in our NO parish, we have some 40% of very very poor parishioners (how do call their houses? Slums, right? In Portuguese, they are called "favelas") One has to see where they live to believe. South American poverty is very hard and also very different from European or American poverty). So, in our parish, we'll see a few people in suits, mostly doctors and business men and most people in regular everyday clothes. And only myself wearing long skirts or dresses. But that's a whole other story ....


I certainily do hear what you are saying.  We spent a week in Honduras.... working up in the mountains....and the poverty was unbelievable.  You have to learn to look beyond what people wear....It's often all one can do to be clean, neat and modest.

Sandy
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Lumen
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« Reply #36 on: December 23, 2006, 07:09:PM »

the best is (at leat to me) dress decently, clean and as "classic" as possible.

I use to wear a non tight skirt, sweather o shirt and flats or boots. No priest ever complained about it. I cover my head with a veil, also, during the Mass and sometimes even when it's already over and i stop for a while to pray.

Anyway, i would avoid too weird clothes, nothing really "eye catching" if you get what i mean. I think drawing attention on yourself is not right in such a contest.

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Paul146
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« Reply #37 on: December 23, 2006, 09:02:PM »

I would rather wear an old ragged garment to church than a suit. That would be much more Catholic - as monastics do.

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