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LovelyKatieLynn
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« on: January 03, 2007, 12:17:AM »

Wow it's been a long time since I've posted...Hope everyone had a wonderful holiday season!

 

Over a year ago I read Dressing with Dignity and have decided to wear only skirts and dresses for reasons of maintaining modesty and preserving a dignified femininity.  The only place where I'm not allowed to wear skirts is at work.  I work in small family-owned grocery store and I'm a cashier - so I could still preform my job while wearing a skirt. 

 

I wrote a letter to the non-traditional Catholic owner asking him to change the dress code allowed at work.  He hasn't responded to it yet (please pray that God may give him guidance), but here's my problem: if he says no, do I continue to work there?

 

It's a good job and I've been a loyal employee for almost 3 years.  But is it right for me to sacrifice what I believe in for a job?  Does that make it alright?  I could really use some advice on how to handle this.  Thanks!

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« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2007, 12:40:AM »

I will make sure to keep you in my prayers. Smile What reasons did the owner give though for not changing the dress code? I see no reason why he could not at least make some kind of exception for you.

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LovelyKatieLynn
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« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2007, 01:14:AM »

The store owner has been busy opening another store in another city, so we rarely see him - he passes everything through the store manager.  I had torn my pants one day and needed to buy new ones and get them altered (I'm 5 feet tall and can't sew).  I was wearing a modest skirt temporarily and the owner passed word through the store's manager that skirts were not allowed unless it was part of my religion.  Now the owner's Catholic, and since there's no Catholic requirement that I have to wear a skirt, I can't claim it's part of my religion. 

 

One problem with letting me wear a skirt is the fact that while I was wearing that skirt temporarily, other girls started to complain that they couldn't wear skirts (they were concerned about fashion, not modesty, and would probably wear short short skirts if they could).  They also complained that I was wearing a just-below-knee-length skirt and they weren't allowed to wear capri pants.  But this problem is easily solved by stating clearly in the dress code that any skirts work must be below the knee or even full-length.  I'm sure I'm the only one who would want to wear a full-length skirt where I work, lol. 

 

I also gave the owner a copy of Dressing with Dignity, so I'm hoping he's taking the time to read through it.  Thanks so much for your prayers!

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« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2007, 03:22:AM »

Quote from: LovelyKatieLynn

Wow it's been a long time since I've posted...Hope everyone had a wonderful holiday season!

Over a year ago I read Dressing with Dignity and have decided to wear only skirts and dresses for reasons of maintaining modesty and preserving a dignified femininity.  The only place where I'm not allowed to wear skirts is at work.  I work in small family-owned grocery store and I'm a cashier - so I could still preform my job while wearing a skirt.  

I wrote a letter to the non-traditional Catholic owner asking him to change the dress code allowed at work.  He hasn't responded to it yet (please pray that God may give him guidance), but here's my problem: if he says no, do I continue to work there?

It's a good job and I've been a loyal employee for almost 3 years.  But is it right for me to sacrifice what I believe in for a job?  Does that make it alright?  I could really use some advice on how to handle this.  Thanks!


I don't think you should leave your job because you HAVE to wear pants and not allowed to wear a skirt at work.  It is NOT a sin to wear trousers providing they are modest.  

I, however, no longer wear pants/trousers in everyday wear.  However, there are particular roles in which woman MUST wear them.

I remember the nuns even said to me, "there are times when it is necessary....".  These are a few that come to mind....

*Skiing
*Farming (muddy fields, snakes etc)

*Horse riding (it's very dangerous to wear a skirt riding, it can get caught underneath the back of the saddle - even a pair or culotes or long shirt has the same effect - I have experienced this).  I wear riding jodpers.

*Police woman and parametics (how could you save, or chase someone or climb up or down in a skirt).

Many women in war times over history and even today, have had to dress in mens attire to escape persecution, rape and even death.

All the best, hope this helps.
 

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Kephapaulos
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« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2007, 04:51:AM »

Quote from: LovelyKatieLynn

 

But this problem is easily solved by stating clearly in the dress code that any skirts work must be below the knee or even full-length.  I'm sure I'm the only one who would want to wear a full-length skirt where I work, lol. 

Which dress code? For work? Or a dress code found in the book Dressing with Dignity? :D

 

That is quite admirable of you though seeing as that still not too many girls or women wear or always wear modest skirts or dresses. Nonetheless, there are cases it seems where women would wear trousers. I have noticed in recent times at my university that some girls have been more often than usual wearing full-length dresses or skirts. It had sort of seemed that way to me at least. I just hope it is not simply some fad.

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« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2007, 05:59:AM »

Quote from: LovelyKatieLynn

Wow it's been a long time since I've posted...Hope everyone had a wonderful holiday season!

 

Over a year ago I read Dressing with Dignity and have decided to wear only skirts and dresses for reasons of maintaining modesty and preserving a dignified femininity.  The only place where I'm not allowed to wear skirts is at work.  I work in small family-owned grocery store and I'm a cashier - so I could still preform my job while wearing a skirt. 

 

I wrote a letter to the non-traditional Catholic owner asking him to change the dress code allowed at work.  He hasn't responded to it yet (please pray that God may give him guidance), but here's my problem: if he says no, do I continue to work there?

 

It's a good job and I've been a loyal employee for almost 3 years.  But is it right for me to sacrifice what I believe in for a job?  Does that make it alright?  I could really use some advice on how to handle this.  Thanks!



He should let you wear a skirt if you want to.  You could take it to the equal opportunity tribunal (if you have one over there) and sue him !!! that'd be fun.


This is a real bug with me - this issue.
Some skirts are down right immodest some slacks and pants can be very pretty and feminine - and dare I say it - modest. I like to wear long shirts or tunic tops over pants - very feminine and very modest - good grief! THERE HAS TO BE ROOM FOR SOME BASIC COMMON SENSE
My most favorite old woman friend is Molly.  She is about 90 now and still driving herself to a Latin mass and constantly ripping shreds off our bishop for his weakness. She wrote a great article in Christian Order a few years ago - "Death of a Diocese" and right now is fighting to save our Cathedral altar rails.
One day after Mass we wimmin were getting a serve from the priest about wearing slacks and how immodest they were. Here is her reply  -
"Excuse me Father, if it is any of your concern! I am a woman of great age and I still drive a motor car and I can tell you that it is far more modest for me grovelling about looking for my legs as I get out of my vehicle to be wearing slacks rather than a skirt that would be riding and blowing up in the wind !"

When I grow up I'm gunna be just like Molly.
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« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2007, 07:18:AM »

I would like to wear skirts more myself, but I only prefer long skirts-I think they look better on me, are more comfortable, and are easier with shoe options.  The problem is I can't find any long skirts in stores.  They just don't seem to be in style right now.  Where do you shop for your skirts?

One trend I do like is that tops are now longer.  I brought several cute tunic length tops at an after Christmas sale at Bebe, which is normally a store with very sexy, inappropriate clothing! For work I like to wear a nice pair of trousers with a tunic length top that covers the butt. I think it looks pretty modest. I would wear a skirt more, but I only have two, so I like to save them for church. 

I admire you for bringing this up with the store owner.  Every time one person stands up for their traditional Catholic values it makes it a little easier for the next person.  So even if the owner says no to your request you have done others a service just by asking. And by buying skirts and dresses you are voting with your dollars so that we women will have more modest dress options in the future. I thank you for that.

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« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2007, 11:48:AM »

Quote from: Marylou

He should let you wear a skirt if you want to. You could take it to the equal opportunity tribunal (if you have one over there) and sue him !!! that'd be fun. 

 

I don't agree, because the owner of a private establishment should be able to set his own rules for the dress code.  If she has the "right" to wear a skirt, then another person may declare the "right" to wear a halter top.

 

It may very well be that no skirts are allowed because all the women would wear such different ones and there would be no uniformity.  They also would probably opt for shorter ones too, which aside from being immodest, are less professional.

 

I think your best bet Katie, is to just hope that your request is granted, but if it isn't, it is no reason to quit your job.  As was said before, it is not a sin to wear pants.  I'm sure we'll have some people answer in this thread to the contrary, if they dare,   but I don't think I'm up to arguing over this tired 'ol debate again.

 

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 it is far more modest for me grovelling about looking for my legs as I get out of my vehicle to be wearing slacks rather than a skirt that would be riding and blowing up in the wind !"

 

What a spunky lady!

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« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2007, 12:59:PM »

Quote from: LovelyKatieLynn

Wow it's been a long time since I've posted...Hope everyone had a wonderful holiday season!

Over a year ago I read Dressing with Dignity and have decided to wear only skirts and dresses for reasons of maintaining modesty and preserving a dignified femininity.  The only place where I'm not allowed to wear skirts is at work.  I work in small family-owned grocery store and I'm a cashier - so I could still preform my job while wearing a skirt.  

I wrote a letter to the non-traditional Catholic owner asking him to change the dress code allowed at work.  He hasn't responded to it yet (please pray that God may give him guidance), but here's my problem: if he says no, do I continue to work there?

It's a good job and I've been a loyal employee for almost 3 years.  But is it right for me to sacrifice what I believe in for a job?  Does that make it alright?  I could really use some advice on how to handle this.  Thanks!


Perhaps there's a better way of approaching this. Prayer is, of course, good, but I would imagine that if you talked with the manager or owner you could get some exception.

Being a man, and a business man, he wants to keep his employees happy. It's not a religious issue, of course, it's one of modesty. If you were to explain that you feel that pants are not an ideal of modesty and you would like to wear a skit to maintain that modesty, I would imagine the manager or owner would not say "No". You might have to work out a specific set of colors or rules for what skirts you could wear. He may allow you to have a simple dark skirt, but probably wouldn't be thrilled with a skirt that is a bright bouquet of roses.

I would just talk with him, not worry too much. And see if you can talk face to face. If not that, talk to him over the phone, perhaps. Be honest and heartfelt in your convictions and I doubt he would say no, and at least would work something out.

If he decides that you cannot wear a skirt, you have to analyze that decision yourself. Does it mean that your modesty concerns are not important enough? Is that a place where you feel comfortable working? Does it transition into other areas?

You have to decide whether you wish to keep working at such a place, if the decision is not in your favor, and I think its reasonable to think more broadly than this one issue when you make that decision.

Perhaps it's not prudent to take issue with the statement "Wearing Pants in not a sin". I would completely agree that it is not a sin, but I wonder if that is the paradigm we should use to determine if we can do something. Not a sin, it's okay. Sin, it's not okay.

It's not a sin to spend your day busied in many activities. It may not be a sin to neglect some of your prayers, but it's certainly not a good thing to neglect prayers. I'd say the paradigm should be, is what we do helping us move closer to some ideal, or not? If not, we should look for better ways to move closer toward God.

I'm not going to say whether wearing pants occasionally does that, but I'm just offering some food for thought.
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« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2007, 01:34:PM »

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it is far more modest for me grovelling about looking for my legs as I get out of my vehicle to be wearing slacks rather than a skirt that would be riding and blowing up in the wind !"

Simple solution: women shouldn't drive :lol:
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