Fish Eaters Traditional Catholic Forum
May 23, 2013, 06:27:AM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
News: The man still needs help!
 
   Fish Eaters    Forum Index   Forum Rules   Help Calendar Members Chat Room   Who's Chatting   Login Register  
Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5
 
Author Topic: If you can't/don't attend a Mass  (Read 2956 times)
Dilexisti
Guest
« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2007, 09:13:AM »

Quote from: Sophia

Quote from: newtolatin
Sophia,
Church teaching is that we have an obligation to attend Mass on Sundays, and that the NO is a valid Mass; therefore it is wrong to say that we are not obliged to attend an NO Mass without stipulating that that is a personal conclusion

It is the personal conclusion of the majority of traditional Catholics.  This is a traditional Catholic forum, so I am very free to express my opinion on this matter.  


A personal conclusion of the majority of traditional Catholics?  Or just of a handful of integrists?  Sophia, personal opinion has no room to be expressed freely regarding a commandment (precept) made by the Church.  That will be anarchy.  Besides, impugning the known truth (already given by the Church that it is a grave obligation to attend Mass) is a sin against the Holy Ghost.  

It is amazing to read opinions expressed that personal preference is chosen over what is required and demanded of a Catholic's duty.  Are all of you saying that because the N.O. is somewhat "defective" there takes place nothing of the sacred?  For your information, a validly ordained N.O. priest who uses valid matter and the correct form and has the intention to do what the Church does can command Jesus to come down and transform the bread and wine into His Body and Blood, and Jesus humbly obeys this N.O. priest.  Instead of bickering about the lack of the TLM and having no other choice but the NOM,  console your God.  There are thousands of Catholics who have no access to the TLM.  Are they all poor wretched, deprived Catholics, and we who have the TLM are the chosen of God's people?
Logged
KatieRD
Member

Posts: 87


« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2007, 09:20:AM »

Thanks so much for all your responses. There sure are a wide range of opinions and I am totally confused as it seems that there are a lot of wide ranging PERSONAL opinions amongst Traditional Catholics on this topic!

I do agree that to attend a NO Mass with dancing and irreverent priests is absolutely totally wrong but I have never ever experienced that, thank goodness. I guess one's conscience would tell straight away if something is sacrilegious.

Anyway, thanks again.

From Confused Katie

Logged
AdoramusTeChriste
Dances with Chopper

Member

Posts: 5,677



« Reply #32 on: January 10, 2007, 09:30:AM »

Hi Katie!

 

The way I see it, the Church is in service to the Faith, not the other way around. That is why the precept to attend Mass on Sundays and holy Days of obligation exisits in the first place. So, if the Faith is not being served at the local level, then the imposed obligation is rendered null and void. In other words, we are never obliged to undermine the Faith.

Logged

TRAD UP!!!
S.A.G. ~ Kathy ~ Sanguine-choleric. Have fun...or else.

Adoramus te, Christe, et benedicimus tibi, quia per sanctam crucem tuam redemisti mundum.
To listen to the hymn- http://fisheaters.com/forumpix/adoramustechriste.html

"I am convinced that the crisis of the church which we are living through today was largely caused by the disintegration of the liturgy."              
- The former Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger

"Their cold stares remind me of the neo-cons that just sign up to FE - they are fish, but they are dead." ~ Marty
Clare
Dumb Blonde
Member

Gender: Female
Location: UK
Posts: 2,484


Ask dad; he knows.


WWW
« Reply #33 on: January 10, 2007, 09:31:AM »

Quote from: Dilexisti
Are all of you saying that because the N.O. is somewhat "defective" there takes place nothing of the sacred? For your information, a validly ordained N.O. priest who uses valid matter and the correct form and has the intention to do what the Church does can command Jesus to come down and transform the bread and wine into His Body and Blood, and Jesus humbly obeys this N.O. priest.

And He obeys schismatic Orthodox priests too.

 

Clare.

Logged

Clare
Dumb Blonde
Member

Gender: Female
Location: UK
Posts: 2,484


Ask dad; he knows.


WWW
« Reply #34 on: January 10, 2007, 09:33:AM »

Quote from: CaroleK
I think some of y'all should cut Clare some slack on this. 

Thanks Carole.

 

As long as people don't cut me some slacks, eh?!

 

Clare.

Logged



CaroleK
Guest
« Reply #35 on: January 10, 2007, 09:46:AM »

Quote from: Clare

Quote from: CaroleK
I think some of y'all should cut Clare some slack on this.

Thanks Carole.

As long as people don't cut me some slacks, eh?!

Clare.


Oh no!  Never that!  A nice split skirt perhaps but never ever slacks. :D
Logged
Sophia
Guest
« Reply #36 on: January 10, 2007, 01:25:PM »

Quote from: Dilexisti
Quote from: Sophia
 

Quote from: newtolatin
Sophia,
Church teaching is that we have an obligation to attend Mass on Sundays, and that the NO is a valid Mass; therefore it is wrong to say that we are not obliged to attend an NO Mass without stipulating that that is a personal conclusion

It is the personal conclusion of the majority of traditional Catholics. This is a traditional Catholic forum, so I am very free to express my opinion on this matter.



A personal conclusion of the majority of traditional Catholics? Or just of a handful of integrists? Sophia, personal opinion has no room to be expressed freely regarding a commandment (precept) made by the Church. That will be anarchy. Besides, impugning the known truth (already given by the Church that it is a grave obligation to attend Mass) is a sin against the Holy Ghost. 


 

You won't last long here if you insist upon calling us integrists.   Read the rules of this forum, the definition of people who are welcome here under the name "trad" and watch your step.  No one has to make excuses to you for believing that the NO should be avoided at all costs.  Not here.

 

I believe so strongly that I must avoid the NO that instead of going to the church two miles away from my house, I drive 90 miles to and from the TLM every week, and have done so for years.  I am not rich, and yes it constitutes a very big sacrifice.  I shudder to think of my judgement day, if I were to capitulate and expose my children to the Novus Ordo.

 

There have been a few times when we have gone to the local NO parish for confession to a retired priest.  My children are no dummies- they know very little of this controversy that we are discussing, yet they knew that there was something very different about this Church.  My son said, "mama, I didn't know you could go to confession in a Protestant Church?"  I had to reassure the others that it was okay to genuflect and bless themselves.  Out of the mouths of babes.  Of such are the kingdom of God.  Doing the right thing is very simple when you look at it through the eyes of a child.

 

Quote

 There are thousands of Catholics who have no access to the TLM. Are they all poor wretched, deprived Catholics, and we who have the TLM are the chosen of God's people?

 

This does not follow from what I said, and I never intimated that it did. 

Logged
Dilexisti
Guest
« Reply #37 on: January 10, 2007, 04:18:PM »

Quote from: Sophia
Quote from: Dilexisti
Quote from: Sophia
 

Quote from: newtolatin
Sophia,
Church teaching is that we have an obligation to attend Mass on Sundays, and that the NO is a valid Mass; therefore it is wrong to say that we are not obliged to attend an NO Mass without stipulating that that is a personal conclusion

It is the personal conclusion of the majority of traditional Catholics. This is a traditional Catholic forum, so I am very free to express my opinion on this matter.


A personal conclusion of the majority of traditional Catholics? Or just of a handful of integrists? Sophia, personal opinion has no room to be expressed freely regarding a commandment (precept) made by the Church. That will be anarchy. Besides, impugning the known truth (already given by the Church that it is a grave obligation to attend Mass) is a sin against the Holy Ghost.


You won't last long here if you insist upon calling us integrists.   Read the rules of this forum, the definition of people who are welcome here under the name "trad" and watch your step.  No one has to make excuses to you for believing that the NO should be avoided at all costs.  Not here.

[/QUOTE]


So it pains us to be called integrists.  Integrist, a word coined by the AbbĂ© de Nantes to described those extreme traditionalists.  I was labeled "integrist" too, but it does not bother me because it's not true.  There is not one saint raised to the altar that could have even been described as "extreme Catholic."    Extreme Catholicism is not dogma and it's not healthy for the soul.  My post was only that one must keep private opinion to oneself; to tell another "don't go here or don't go there" is a heavy responsiblility because if one's opinion is in error, one is responsible for leading another astray, a caveat by Our Lord; i.e., leading one to sin by bad example.


Dismiss me if you want to, if that's the policy.


Quote
I believe so strongly that I must avoid the NO that instead of going to the church two miles away from my house, I drive 90 miles to and from the TLM every week, and have done so for years.  I am not rich, and yes it constitutes a very big sacrifice.  I shudder to think of my judgement day, if I were to capitulate and expose my children to the Novus Ordo.


I drive 45 minutes one way to go to Mass.  I used to drive one hour and half one way.


Quote
There have been a few times when we have gone to the local NO parish for confession to a retired priest.  My children are no dummies- they know very little of this controversy that we are discussing, yet they knew that there was something very different about this Church.  My son said, "mama, I didn't know you could go to confession in a Protestant Church?"  I had to reassure the others that it was okay to genuflect and bless themselves.  Out of the mouths of babes.  Of such are the kingdom of God.  Doing the right thing is very simple when you look at it through the eyes of a child.


There are times when brush fires and landslides close down highways and we're prevented to go to the TLM.  We're not homealoners.  


Quote

Quote

There are thousands of Catholics who have no access to the TLM. Are they all poor wretched, deprived Catholics, and we who have the TLM are the chosen of God's people?

This does not follow from what I said, and I never intimated that it did.  

[/QUOTE]

It does not.  I'm merely stating that we cannot exculpate those who attend the NO as if they were not as good Catholics as us.
Logged
Sophia
Guest
« Reply #38 on: January 10, 2007, 04:39:PM »

Quote from: Dilexisti

Dismiss me if you want to, if that's the policy. 

 

It isn't the policy here to dismiss people who have differing opinions.  Name calling is not allowed, however, or bashing of traditional Catholics, or attempts to convert us.  You were name-calling.  I don't care if it is true or not, or if you don't mind being called one.  Vox wants traditional Catholics to be free from being bashed here on her site. 

 

Quote
I'm merely stating that we cannot exculpate those who attend the NO as if they were not as good Catholics as us.

 

Why would you state that in opposition to what I said if you were not accusing me of doing it? 

 

 

Logged
Clare
Dumb Blonde
Member

Gender: Female
Location: UK
Posts: 2,484


Ask dad; he knows.


WWW
« Reply #39 on: January 10, 2007, 06:00:PM »

Quote from: Dilexisti
There is not one saint raised to the altar that could have even been described as "extreme Catholic." Extreme Catholicism is not dogma and it's not healthy for the soul.

I would have thought all saints were Extreme Catholics!

 

Certainly a lot of what many of them have said is pretty extreme by modern standards.

 

Clare.

Logged

Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5
 
 
Jump to:  

Powered by SMF 1.1.8 | SMF © 2006-2008, Simple Machines LLC