Hillary Clinton Enters Presidential Race

[MikeSearson]

Wow, you really are clueless about being a Catholic.

 

"Myopic obsession with abortion"?

 

Is that "screwthedeadbabiesineedtokissthearseofsomedescendantofacowthiefism"?

[winoblue1]

I think that American Catholics have to main priorities, one is to ban abortion as soon as possible, because every day brings more death and calls on God to deliver vengeance.

The second is to elect a third party that has an agenda that is truly in conformity with the moral law, for example the closure of the Federal Reserve Banking System etc.

 

One is an immediate goal and the other is a more long term goal. Both should be worked towards at the same time, as it's not really an either-or proposition.

 

It seems to me to abandon the outlawing of abortion in pursuit of a third party agenda is itself a myopic view of the situation putting the two goals in opposition when they really are intimately connected.

[actiofidei]

I would surely forego the normal, minimal respect I afford to any stranger, if I would see someone wearing a shirt demonizing a peer.  No matter what the reason.   It's undignified.

In what respect is she a peer, aside from also being a citizen? Regardless, as she is running for a political office - the highest political office - it is not uncommon or even inappropriate to make a statement regarding one's opinion of a candidate's stances. Of course this bumper sticker does not imply that Hillary Clinton is actually in league with the devil (except for to the most dense), but is a statement against some of her platforms (particularly those in opposition to the Faith).

This is not a statement about my pro-choice next door neighbor, it's an objection to the stances of a possible presidential candidate, a very public figure.

But, if one objects to such election-time tactics, that's one's prerogative.

[JLeigh]

I agree with "mojomama." I'm sick and tired of the myopic obsession with abortion and a few other issues that allows some American Catholics to pretend that the Republicans are better than the Democrats.

That is absolutely the most insulting thing you have ever said. I suppose you'd much prefer we get obsessed with more *important* issues than dead babies - such as how well the Queen's crown matches her Royal Shoes.

 

How you, who 99.9% of the time is carrying on about monarchy, can be "sick and tired" of others having a "myopic obsession" with anything defies logic.

[AdoramusTeChriste]

!!!!WARNING!!!!

Graphic pics of myopic obsession ahead!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[MikeSearson]

[littleflower]

...mourning and weeping in this vale of tears...

 

Someone once told me that the "Hail Holy Queen" seemed as if it were a prayer from aborted babies to Our Lady.  I can see why it would seem so.

 

Our Lady of Guadalupe, pray for us!

[MikeSearson]

...mourning and weeping in this vale of tears...

 

Someone once told me that the "Hail Holy Queen" seemed as if it were a prayer from aborted babies to Our Lady.  I can see why it would seem so.

 

Our Lady of Guadalupe, pray for us!

 

I've never heard it put that way before, but it certainly rings true.  One has to wonder where this callous indifference toward murdered innocent children comes from.  I say it can only come from below.  People who want the easy way out.  People who are self-centered and think only of themselves.

 

More than likely, people who simply have no Faith in the fact that before everything existed that God knew each soul intimately and loved each precious little being He created.

[royalcello]

Mojomama posted equally graphic pictures of the results of Bush's invasion of Iraq on page two of this thread.  Bush's evil foreign policy agenda has been enabled by "pro-lifers" who blindly vote Republican year after year, which has not saved a single unborn baby and never will.  Without their support, this monster of inanity would be back in Texas where he belongs, and while the abortion situation would be more or less the same, thousands of American troops and Iraqi civilians would still be alive.  

Abortion is not the problem.  It is a symptom of the problem: a society that, long before 1973, had turned away from a Christian and hierarchical social order (which it is not necessary to be a believing Christian to admire) and is obsessed with "equality," "progress," "freedom," and "choice."   And yes, while I wasn't the one to bring it up on this thread, the issue of monarchism versus republicanism is relevant to that.  It is not such a very big step from "I have the right to choose my head of state" to "I have the right to choose an abortion."  

It's not denying the evil of abortion to recognize that voting for the U.S. Republican Party is not part of the solution.   It's everything else that traditional Catholics do on a regular basis--attending and defending the Traditional Latin Mass, raising large Catholic families--that could be part of the solution, and it really shouldn't be "insulting" to say that on a traditional Catholic forum.

Those who vote Republican ought to be every bit as troubled by the horrible images that mojomama posted as those who vote Democrat ought to be troubled by the horrible images that AdoramusTeChriste posted.  I stand by what I said.

[JLeigh]

Mojomama posted equally graphic pictures of the results of Bush's invasion of Iraq on page two of this thread. Bush's evil foreign policy agenda has been enabled by "pro-lifers" who blindly vote Republican year after year, which has not saved a single unborn baby and never will. Without their support, this monster of inanity would be back in Texas where he belongs.

I don't know about anyone else here, but I have never ever "blindly voted Republican year after year". I look at the issues - and not just "abortion issues". Period. If I don't like either candidate (and I can't ever recall liking either of them no matter what Presidential election it was), then I vote 3rd party. If there is no decent 3rd party, then I don't vote. Period. I have never bought into the "lesser of two evils"  or "voting against the other party" concept, and I doubt I will change my mind anytime soon. However, each person must decide that for himself. Regardless, if Hillary gets in, it's going to get ugly, no if's and's or but's about it. With that being said, in all actuality, it's going to continue to get uglier and uglier no matter who's in there. That's practically a given.

Abortion is not the problem. It is a symptom of the problem: a society that, long before 1973, had turned away from a Christian and hierarchical social order (which it is not necessary to be a believing Christian to admire) and is obsessed with "equality," "progress," and "freedom." And yes, while I wasn't the one to bring it up on this thread, the issue of monarchism versus republicanism is relevant to that. It is not such a very big step from "I have the right to choose my head of state" to "I have the right to choose an abortion."

 

You are quite right that abortion is a symptom of the problem. As for everything else in the above quote, I'm not going there.

It's not denying the evil of abortion to recognize that voting for the U.S. Republican Party is never going to be part of the solution. It's everything else that traditional Catholics do on a regular basis--attending and defending the Traditional Latin Mass, raising large Catholic families--that could be part of the solution, and it really shouldn't be "insulting" to say that on a traditional Catholic forum.

 

Again, you are presuming that we vote Republican. You have no idea (other than me, now that I posted it) how people are voting, unless you are somehow privy to their voting record.

 

And yes, it is quite insulting to make demeaning comments about the "myopic obsession" of those who sacrifice blood, sweat and tears in their fight to save the lives of unborn children.

Those who vote Republican are every bit as responsible for the horrible images that mojomama posted as those who vote Democrat are responsible for the horrible images that AdoramusTeChriste posted. I stand by what I said.

 

You can stand by what you said forever and a day, but that does not make you infallible on this subject. Like it or not, we Americans do not have a monarchy, and we have to do the best we can with the system we have been dealt. It's that simple.