Opus Dei?

[Quo_Vadis_Petre]

I guess I should say "many of the regular posters," but as you said, it's not the main point of the thread.

[HMiS]

In fact St. Josemaria loved the Tridentine Mass.

 

I will put it more forcefully, Msgr. Josemaria Escriva de Balaguer only several times celebrated the Novus Ordo, then rejected it, threw the "revised" Roman Missal into the trash bin of his sacristy and until his death continued by celebrating the traditional Roman ("Tridentine") Mass.

 

As to OD's orthodoxy: its associations with the Sillon of Marc Sangnier are by many names etc. and its laicist spirituality, sadly its means of influencing society without priests and bishops were and are not effective, yes condemned.

Over all however, I cannot say they are a "Opus Diaboli" for which some extreme traditionalist Roman Catholics (especially "Siri'ists", www.opusdeialert.com ) hold them. Only too sad they go for power and elite and not for the true resistance against perversion and subversion of the Holy Roman Catholic Church by modernism, liberalism and ecumenism.

[Michael_G]

In fact St. Josemaria loved the Tridentine Mass.

I will put it more forcefully, Msgr. Josemaria Escriva de Balaguer only several times celebrated the Novus Ordo, then rejected it, threw the "revised" Roman Missal into the trash bin of his sacristy and until his death continued by celebrating the traditional Roman ("Tridentine") Mass.

As to OD's orthodoxy: its associations with the Sillon of Marc Sangnier are by many names etc. and its laicist spirituality, sadly its means of influencing society without priests and bishops were and are not effective, yes condemned.

Over all however, I cannot say they are a "Opus Diaboli" for which some extreme traditionalist Roman Catholics (especially "Siri'ists", www.opusdeialert.com ) hold them. Only too sad they go for power and elite and not for the true resistance against perversion and subversion of the Holy Roman Catholic Church by modernism, liberalism and ecumenism.

The opusdeialert.com people evidently hold some distinctive views, such as that (I quote from their site) "John Paul II was a manifest heretic, and thus ipso facto could not have been a valid pope."

What evidence have you however for saying that "they go for power and elite and not for the true resistance against perversion and subversion of the Holy Roman Catholic Church by modernism, liberalism and ecumenism"?  From my own acquaintance with them and from reading what I take to be well-informed comment about them in the news media, from both Modernists and Traditionalists, they are seen as a significant obstacle to the "Spirit of Vatican II" element and are hated by them.  The only fault I find with them is their complete adherence to the NO liturgy.

[DominusTecum]

I have heard VERY little "bad" about Opus Dei in liberal Catholic circles. On the other hand, I've heard very much bad about the TLM and unadulterated Tradition in these circles as being "divisive for the Church," not in line with VII, etc.

 

The problem (one of the problems, not withstanding the personality cult/controlling nature of it/ecumenism/novel views on states of life) with Opus Dei is that it's foundational principle is flawed. It wants to be "traditional," but as someone earlier in this thread said, (paraphrased,) the focus is on absolute obedience to the Pope. This is all well and good, but most of what has been coming out of the Vatican for the last 40 years ought to be rejected, not obeyed absolutely, by faithful Catholics. The compromise of Opus Dei can be easily demonstrated by pointing out their adherence to the Novus Ordo. No matter how many smells and bells they add to it, I don't think anyone who celebrates the NO (given the theological implications thereof) can be considered traditional, and that includes Opus Dei.

[Marylou]

What evidence have you however for saying that "they go for power and elite and not for the true resistance against perversion and subversion of the Holy Roman Catholic Church by modernism, liberalism and ecumenism"? From my own acquaintance with them and from reading what I take to be well-informed comment about them in the news media, from both Modernists and Traditionalists, they are seen as a significant obstacle to the "Spirit of Vatican II" element and are hated by them. The only fault I find with them is their complete adherence to the NO liturgy.

There is no evidence of Opus Dei working for the good of the Church (ie. 'spirit of Vatican 11) ouT side of their own circle.

The compromise of Opus Dei can be easily demonstrated by pointing out their adherence to the Novus Ordo. No matter how many smells and bells they add to it, I don't think anyone who celebrates the NO (given the theological implications thereof) can be considered traditional, and that includes Opus Dei.

I asked the following question (which he could not answer) to a nephew who is currently fooling around with Opus Dei.
"Given that permission was granted for the Latin Mass of the 1962 Missal by JP2 and Ecclesia Dei in 1988  and given that Opus Dei is a personal prelature and thereby does not require permission of the local bishop, how come Opus DEi priests do not say the 1962 Mass now and why are they saying that they will when the Motu Propio of B16 comes out?"

They are currently renovating a suburban parish church in Melbourne to the tune of $4million dollars ($2 million from the taxpayers of Aust. And the other $2 million from their 'loyal supporters')  "You should see the High altar!! It is beautiful!" they all gasp ! THEY DON'T USE IT.

[Michael_G]

I asked the following question (which he could not answer) to a nephew who is currently fooling around with Opus Dei.
"Given that permission was granted for the Latin Mass of the 1962 Missal by JP2 and Ecclesia Dei in 1988 and given that Opus Dei is a personal prelature and thereby does not require permission of the local bishop, how come Opus DEi priests do not say the 1962 Mass now and why are they saying that they will when the Motu Propio of B16 comes out?"

As someone who is well disposed to Opsu Dei, I have asked that question also.  I think I said in an earlier post that it might have to do with their refusal to allow any diversity within Opus Dei, even something like having two rites of the Mass.  This fear of diversity may come from seeing the chaos that happened within the Church after Vatican II.

[Marty]

This fear of diversity may come from seeing the chaos that happened within the Church after Vatican II.

...of which Opus Dei has benefited greatly.

[DominusTecum]

...took the words out of my mouth.