Mahony on the Traditional Mass

[VoxClamantis]

From Catholic World News:

Cardinal Mahony on the Tridentine Mass: 'I must focus on the 99% who need a vibrant Mass that includes them in its celebration ' (3 links)

 

Mar. 9, 2007 -
 

Cardinal Mahony names writers who most influenced him, discusses Communion for pro-abortion politicians, Tridentine Mass: "I must focus on the 99% who need a vibrant Mass that includes them in its celebration" (Los Angeles Religious Education Congress)
 

Transcript of Cardinal Mahony's chat with schoolchildren (Los Angeles Religious Education Congress)
 

Interview with Cardinal Mahony (California Catholic Daily)

[AndreasAngelopolitanus]

Well... he's... consistent.

 

Ten years ago, it was:

 

Question: Your Eminence, do you look for a wider application of the Holy Father's Motu Proprio "Ecclesia Dei" in your archdiocese, allowing the celebration of the Mass according to the liturgical books in use in 1962? 

Rmccd: Not really, since the small numbers actually attending are not growing. We have enough help, eh? Masses, recall that these were permitted for those Catholics in 1965 who had difficulty making the transition. 

 

http://www.recongress.org/chat1997.htm

[Dilexisti]

Well... he's... consistent.

Ten years ago, it was:

Question: Your Eminence, do you look for a wider application of the Holy Father's Motu Proprio "Ecclesia Dei" in your archdiocese, allowing the celebration of the Mass according to the liturgical books in use in 1962?  

Rmccd: Not really, since the small numbers actually attending are not growing. We have enough help, eh? Masses, recall that these were permitted for those Catholics in 1965 who had difficulty making the transition.  

http://www.recongress.org/chat1997.htm

His Eminence sure has a bad memory.  "Permitted for those Catholics in 1965.."?  The NOM wasn't promulgated until late1969.

I live in the general Los Angeles area (but I'm not there right at the moment).  As I mentioned in another thread, Cdl. Mahony pays lip service to Ecclesia Dei by "allowing" the Indult in L.A.   But there's a catch:  the chapels offering the Indult are so spread apart, you're gonna need a map and a helicopter to got to them.  And that's all is offered:  the Indult Latin Mass.  Marriage, Baptism, and other Sacraments are in the novus ordo only.

[PeteC]

Well... he's... consistent.

Ten years ago, it was:

Question: Your Eminence, do you look for a wider application of the Holy Father's Motu Proprio "Ecclesia Dei" in your archdiocese, allowing the celebration of the Mass according to the liturgical books in use in 1962?  

Rmccd: Not really, since the small numbers actually attending are not growing. We have enough help, eh? Masses, recall that these were permitted for those Catholics in 1965 who had difficulty making the transition.  

http://www.recongress.org/chat1997.htm

His Eminence sure has a bad memory.  "Permitted for those Catholics in 1965.."?  The NOM wasn't promulgated until late1969.

I live in the general Los Angeles area (but I'm not there right at the moment).  As I mentioned in another thread, Cdl. Mahony pays lip service to Ecclesia Dei by "allowing" the Indult in L.A.   But there's a catch:  the chapels offering the Indult are so spread apart, you're gonna need a map and a helicopter to got to them.  And that's all is offered:  the Indult Latin Mass.  Marriage, Baptism, and other Sacraments are in the novus ordo only.

And wasn't there that ultra-conservative Cardinal McIntyre at the helm? I recall reading how he had to be ordered to implement changes. How the pendulum swings.
 

[StevusMagnus]

So Cardinal Mahony:

 

1. Grants indult Masses at odd times in remote places.

 

2. Notes the attendance numbers at these Masses are not growing.

 

3. Draws the conclusion that the reason for low attendance is disinterest in the Mass itself. 

 

Someone should explain the scientific method to the good Cardinal. I'm sure it can be found somewhere in His Eminence's personal library. Right next to Origin of the Species or Marx and Ingels perhaps?

 

In order to determine if the Cardinal's hypothesis is true, one would have to grant indults at various convenient churches throughout Los Angeles, advertise them so the people know they exist, and then study attendance rates for a substantial period of time, a year let's say. Then, if Latin Mass atendance is stagnant, the Cardinal would have the right to say what he said. Otherwise, I beileve he is knowingly drawing a false conclusion from the data to suit his predisposition.

 

Also what happened to plurality? Unity in diversity? Why not allow many indults and celebrate our "diverse" liturgical heritage? What is the Good Cardinal afraid of?

 

God Bless,

 

Steve

 

[AndreasAngelopolitanus]

And wasn't there that ultra-conservative Cardinal McIntyre at the helm? I recall reading how he had to be ordered to implement changes. How the pendulum swings.

Cardinal McIntyre... the good ol' days. 

 

I remember him retiring... then the Mass changed. 

[Michael_G]

From my distant location in Ireland I would think that His Eminence (as he would surely hate to be called) Cardinal Mahony (my mother's surname, I am sorry to say) is just another one of the Vatican II generation.  It is just a matter of time.  Soon, please God, they will all be gone, and let us pray that God will judge them on their good intentions and not their foolishness,

[aquinas138]

Mahony is the "Vatican II bishop" par excellence - celebrating anything but genuine Catholicism in a Satanic abuse of his sacred office for a delusional "inclusiveness."  It's not even the liturgical abuses that bother me with Mahony - well, no, they do bother me - but what KILLS me is the LYING.  That a CARDINAL no less is so blatantly dishonest on just about every issue I've ever heard him speak is scandalous beyond comprehension.  Does anybody know on what basis he was given a red hat?  I know there have been pretty bad episcopal appointments for years, but this one is something else.

I was at a lecture last night about the revision of the NAB Psalter for the liturgy, and whenever the names Mahony, Tod "One 'd'" Brown, or Donald "Trautperson" came up (usually in connection with bashing Liturgiam Authenticam), I had to stifle the urge to jeer.

[PinoyMonk]

"What some refer to as a 'vocations crisis' is, rather, one of the many fruits of the Second Vatican Council, a sign of God's deep love for the Church..." -Cardinal Mahony