"Breaking news: Bertone confirms motu proprio"

[InquisitorGeneralis]

I think it was necessary, but the reason why it didn't work so well is because it did not address the issues of the day head on.  There were no dogmas clarified.  Communism was not addressed.  They played around, and dissapointing results were what they got.

Do we really need to hold a council just to condemn Communism, though?  I mean, isn't it kind of just obviously evil and opposed to Church teaching?  The doctrine is already there, they just need to enforce it.

[batteddy]

No. Communism turned out to be a false alarm really. Incidental. A "Wizard of Oz" that looked terrifying (and it did kill millions), but ended up as just an incompetent man behind a curtain that turned out not to be iron.

But that is not the point. The point is the bigger crisis that loomed, that has engulfed the world today. This was not just something the curia could simply handle like good  little bureaucrats, enforcing doctrine here and there. A plenary international council of bishops was needed, bishops who could be leaders and not just corporate managers. We needed all the strength we could get.

An entirely new culture came upon Europe, and went way too far in America. It has spiraled out of control. The world is unrecognizable from just a century ago. The church needed to address this totally new landscape, the old order had crumbled away. A shake-up of TREMENDOUS proportions on all stages, you must see that.

Sadly, the council decided to just sort of twiddle their thumbs and didn't really seem to know what to say to address this exponentially growing decay. So they threw some stuff together, put a smiley face on it, and looked absurd.

[InquisitorGeneralis]

A plenary international council of bishops was needed, bishops who could be leaders and not just corporate managers. We needed all the strength we could get.

If you're saying we need better and stronger bishops, you will find no greater ally than me, my friend.  However, that does not mean we need to bring them together in a council.  In fact, I would say there are major problems with bringing the bishops together as a group (or any people together as a group).  Does the concept of groupthink ring a bell with you?

[Tradglad]

I suppose the Council could have been more relevant if it had concrete in its answers and documents. It could have addressed many of the ills of the day. As to liturgy, vernacular only would have made a big difference to the youth I guess. But this vague "spirit of Vatican 2" open a huge window that let in a foul breeze.

[Tradglad]

A plenary international council of bishops was needed, bishops who could be leaders and not just corporate managers. We needed all the strength we could get.

If you're saying we need better and stronger bishops, you will find no greater ally than me, my friend.  However, that does not mean we need to bring them together in a council.  In fact, I would say there are major problems with bringing the bishops together as a group (or any people together as a group).  Does the concept of groupthink ring a bell with you?

What was the process at other coucils? Was it different?..didnt group think apply in those like Nicea?

[InquisitorGeneralis]

What was the process at other coucils? Was it different?..didnt group think apply in those like Nicea?

Of course it applies, and that's why a council should be a last resort.  Why does this have to be explained?

[JesusFreak84]

So what remedy (form, I guess,) would you folks recommend for fixing these ills?  Another council?  Encyclical?  Papal Bull?  Other?

(This isn't a sarcastic or critical question; I'm just honestly curious.)

[InquisitorGeneralis]

So what remedy (form, I guess,) would you folks recommend for fixing these ills?  Another council?  Encyclical?  Papal Bull?  Other?

(This isn't a sarcastic or critical question; I'm just honestly curious.)

Encyclicals, papal bulls, and other would be right on.  All the doctrines we need are right there.  We just need stronger enforcement and competent bishops who respect the Church's tradition, rather than trying to create a vision of their own.

[batteddy]

It would take a massive combination of many of those. A huge purging.

[Tradglad]

It would take a massive combination of many of those. A huge purging.

You would have loved the Inquisition then