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Author Topic: Light bulbs of the future will cost you and maybe kill you  (Read 455 times)
VoxClamantis
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« on: May 04, 2007, 10:40:PM »

Incredible! First the government forces Americans to use toilets that don't flush (I am livid!) and that, in the end, after having to push the handle 3 times to get a kleenex to go down, use more water than they were trying to save, and now this (it's already started in California!). Fluorescent lighting is expensive and hideous, to boot! Ugly, stark, cold, unflattering to the flesh -- who the hell wants it? Who wants mercury poisoning? Jeezaloo, I wish the busy-bodies would find hobbies. From canada.com:
 
 

The CFL mercury nightmare
Steven Milloy, Financial Post
Published: Saturday, April 28, 2007

 

How much money does it take to screw in a compact fluorescent light bulb? About US$4.28 for the bulb and labour -- unless you break the bulb. Then you, like Brandy Bridges of Ellsworth, Maine, could be looking at a cost of about US$2,004.28, which doesn't include the costs of frayed nerves and risks to health.

Sound crazy? Perhaps no more than the stampede to ban the incandescent light bulb in favour of compact fluorescent light bulbs (CFLs).

According to an April 12 article in The Ellsworth American, Bridges had the misfortune of breaking a CFL during installation in her daughter's bedroom: It dropped and shattered on the carpeted floor.

Aware that CFLs contain potentially hazardous substances, Bridges called her local Home Depot for advice. The store told her that the CFL contained mercury and that she should call the Poison Control hotline, which in turn directed her to the Maine Department of Environmental Protection.

The DEP sent a specialist to Bridges' house to test for mercury contamination. The specialist found mercury levels in the bedroom in excess of six times the state's "safe" level for mercury contamination of 300 billionths of a gram per cubic meter. The DEP specialist recommended that Bridges call an environmental cleanup firm, which reportedly gave her a "low-ball" estimate of US$2,000 to clean up the room. The room then was sealed off with plastic and Bridges began "gathering finances" to pay for the US$2,000 cleaning. Reportedly, her insurance company wouldn't cover the cleanup costs because mercury is a pollutant.

Given that the replacement of incandescent bulbs with CFLs in the average U.S. household is touted as saving as much as US$180 annually in energy costs -- and assuming that Bridges doesn't break any more CFLs -- it will take her more than 11 years to recoup the cleanup costs in the form of energy savings.

The potentially hazardous CFL is being pushed by companies such as Wal-Mart, which wants to sell 100 million CFLs at five times the cost of incandescent bulbs during 2007, and, surprisingly, environmentalists.

It's quite odd that environmentalists have embraced the CFL, which cannot now and will not in the foreseeable future be made without mercury. Given that there are about five billion light bulb sockets in North American households, we're looking at the possibility of creating billions of hazardous waste sites such as the Bridges' bedroom.

Usually, environmentalists want hazardous materials out of, not in, our homes. These are the same people who go berserk at the thought of mercury being emitted from power plants and the presence of mercury in seafood. Environmentalists have whipped up so much fear of mercury among the public that many local governments have even launched mercury thermometer exchange programs.

As the activist group Environmental Defense urges us to buy CFLs, it defines mercury on a separate part of its Web site as a "highly toxic heavy metal that can cause brain damage and learning disabilities in fetuses and children" and as "one of the most poisonous forms of pollution."

Greenpeace also recommends CFLs while simultaneously bemoaning contamination caused by a mercury-thermometer factory in India. But where are mercury-containing CFLs made? Not in the United States, under strict environmental regulation. CFLs are made in India and China, where environmental standards are virtually non-existent.

And let's not forget about the regulatory nightmare in the U.S. known as the Superfund law, the EPA regulatory program best known for requiring expensive but often needless cleanup of toxic waste sites, along with endless litigation over such cleanups.

We'll eventually be disposing billions and billions of CFL mercury bombs. Much of the mercury from discarded and/or broken CFLs is bound to make its way into the environment and give rise to Superfund liability, which in the past has needlessly disrupted many lives, cost tens of billions of dollars and sent many businesses into bankruptcy.

As each CFL contains five milligrams of mercury, at the Maine "safety" standard of 300 nanograms per cubic meter, it would take 16,667 cubic meters of soil to "safely" contain all the mercury in a single CFL. While CFL vendors and environmentalists tout the energy cost savings of CFLs, they conveniently omit the personal and societal costs of CFL disposal.

Not only are CFLs much more expensive than incandescent bulbs and emit light that many regard as inferior to incandescent bulbs, they pose a nightmare if they break and require special disposal procedures. Yet governments (egged on by environmentalists and the Wal-Marts of the world) are imposing on us such higher costs, denial of lighting choice, disposal hassles and breakage risks in the name of saving a few dollars every year on the electric bill?

 Steven Milloy publishes JunkScience.com and CSRWatch.com. He is a junk-science expert and advocate of free enterprise, and an adjunct scholar at the Competitive Enterprise Institute.

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learning
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« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2007, 05:19:AM »

This makes me really angry.  I live in California and I am having my kitchen redone.  I don't want any lighting changes, but I was told by contractors giving me estimates that if I am to have the job done legally under permit I will be required to change the lighting in the kitchen to fluorescent to meet the new requirements, even though my old lights are perfectly good. A certain percent of lights must be fluorescent any time a renovation is made-and under cabinet lights aren't enough.  This will cost me at least $600 and send all my old, perfectly good lights to the land fill. 

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Ginette
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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2007, 05:55:AM »

Yes, the same law is coming here in Ireland and those CFL bulbs make my stomach really pukey. They are also really gloomy, impossible to read or work under. I was thinking of bulk buying the ordinary bulbs before the law changes. How many more stupid laws?Huh?

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AdoramusTeChriste
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« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2007, 07:16:AM »

I have lots of CFL bulbs and I like them for some areas. I did not know about the mercury issue. Yikes!

*heads to the store to buy incandescents*
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DominusTecum
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« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2007, 01:01:PM »

...oops. I used to break those things for fun.... guess that's a bad idea!


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AdoramusTeChriste
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« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2007, 01:09:PM »

Quote from: DominusTecum
...oops. I used to break those things for fun.... guess that's a bad idea!


Um, how was it fun?  

Do they do something spectacular when you break them, or is this just one of those charming boy things?  

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TRAD UP!!!
S.A.G. ~ Kathy ~ Sanguine-choleric. Have fun...or else.

Adoramus te, Christe, et benedicimus tibi, quia per sanctam crucem tuam redemisti mundum.
To listen to the hymn- http://fisheaters.com/forumpix/adoramustechriste.html

"I am convinced that the crisis of the church which we are living through today was largely caused by the disintegration of the liturgy."              
- The former Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger

"Their cold stares remind me of the neo-cons that just sign up to FE - they are fish, but they are dead." ~ Marty
Brennus
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« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2007, 02:12:PM »

I wish we didn't have electricity. I could very easily live without it. Of course then I wouldn't be writing this. Of course, that would be a good thing because I am just procrastinating cleaning my cellar (and you want to talk about toxic waste situations, well . . .)
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DominusTecum
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« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2007, 07:10:PM »

 It's definitely one of those charming boy things!

You take the lightbulb, find some hard surface (like the kitchen table, for example) and throw the thing as hard as you can against the edge of it -glass flies everywhere, and you get a nice feeling -almost as good as an Old-Fashioned {*ahem* uhh...old-fashioned time at the circus, or something like that...}
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dailyrosary
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« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2007, 07:13:PM »

Quote from: DominusTecum
...oops. I used to break those things for fun.... guess that's a bad idea!



The same way we used to break mercury thermometers for fun when we were kids.  (Are we talking about the same thing?)  Us kids used to steal our mother's thermometers and sit in the tenemant hallways and break the thermometers, fascinated with the way the little mercury balls would form and reform when we split them.  Mercury could keep us happy for about a half an hour, then we threw it away and moved on to the next activity.  I don't think anyone died.  We got beat alot when our mothers found their thermometers gone, but that was the extent of it.

So; if you break your fancy light bulb and are afraid of the mercury, call me.  I have lots of experience playing with mercury.  I'll come and get all the little balls out of the carpet for ya, and to boot, I'll probably bring home the stuff to show my granddaughter.

Don't eat the stuff; even us Bronx kids weren't dumb enough to eat that weirdo stuff.

Theory/question:  Since people don't fear God anymore, do they look for other things to be afraid of?  Does all that misplaced fear need a target?

Mercury aside, I hate those code enforcement officers.  I have some code enforcement officer stories--long story short; those people have the luxury of making other people pay for their convictions.
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