Help needed - vocation with FSSP or NO

[HMiS]

The SSPX is right - and not even the FSSP dares to deny this (as far as I know) - that theological ánd political Liberalism have lead to this time of the "great apostasy" (cfr. 2 Thess 2).

So, McMaster, in fairness such an accusation cannot be made against the Society of St. Pius X.

I would also like to remind all that the Society of St. Pius X. is not forced to be silent about liturgical abuses in dioceses, like the FSSP is in practice (I know this from a good FSSP priest whose Mass I served weekly in Europe).

However the SSPX is now in the position that its priests will be spat at and condemned even by the official Catholic Church dioceses, unlike the FSSP priests who sometimes even get chaplain assigments paid for by the (German, Belgian, French) state through diocesan intervention.

But I think the priesthood is about following Jesus Christ with St. Peter, but not by doing everything like St. Peter (or the conciliar popes) did in his life (martyrdom yes, but not Judaization, Hebrew-exaltation or denial of Christ's truths), but in unity with him, yes! And being spat at for being a "Lefebvrist evil priest" is something which Our Lord possibly had also to endure. Only the name-calling was different.

[HMiS]

and yet another update. I have decided to look at SSPX as well, but I'm a bit confused on what to do. I know I should not say this, but I do somewhat feel like if I where to join the SSPX then I'm destined for hell, since they have excommunicated Bishops. Please do chime in and help if you can.

SSPX priests will not be cast in hell for this. Not even the Holy See says so, not even the modernist bishops (who deny the existence of hell anyway). The SSPX priests are considered "suspended a divinis for lack of ordinary incardination" according to the Holy See, but not as schismatics or heretics.

And suspended priests in circumstances are allowed to minister nevertheless if necessity requires it. It is a difficult situation, but surely not something for which God would damn a priest. Priests would be damned for sacrilege, apostasy, tacit compromises with heretics, etc. etc. All you will find in the Novus Ordo establishment (not in the FSSP however, but the FSSP does work within the current establishment framework sadly).

I think if you have more difficult questions, then go to spend some weeks in the SSPX Seminary at Zaitzkofen, an idyllical village in Bavaria (Germany). You will find well-versed priests who can aptly explain the problems to you and answer your questions.

You can decide afterwards. Do not decide in a hurry. This is a very important choice for your life, especially coming from such a Lutheran/secularist country like Norway.

There is good professor in Oslo, who is friendly with the SSPX. I saw him at Schönenberg this Summer at the Summer Conferences for Academics.

[McMaster]

The SSPX is right - and not even the FSSP dares to deny this (as far as I know) - that theological ánd political Liberalism have lead to this time of the "great apostasy" (cfr. 2 Thess 2).

To say that "theological and political Liberalism have led many Catholics to apostatize" (which would appear to be true) is very different from saying that "theological and political Liberalism have led the 'Conciliar Church' to apostatize" (which would appear, to the very best of my knowledge, to be false). The latter assertion, not the former, is what led to the rupture between the SSPX and the popes.

The SSPX priests are considered "suspended a divinis for lack of ordinary incardination" according to the Holy See, but not as schismatics or heretics.

And suspended priests in circumstances are allowed to minister nevertheless if necessity requires it.

But necessity does not require that they should continue to reject reconciliation with the Pope, much less that men with a vocation to the priesthood should deliberately decide to enter such an irregular situation.

Blessings,

Don McMaster

[viking]

I have decided to stick with FSSP where I believe my call is. I need all prayers I can get. As much as the devil hates Priests he must hate people who want to enter seminary also. Do you e.g know about Nuns and Monks who pray for Vocations?

I appreciate all your prayers as well. Things seems to go really well with my vocation right now. Hopefully next year at this time, I will be in the seminary I want to be at.

[HMiS]

[TraditionalRomanCatholic]

I have been looking into the FSSP also.  I would choose them over the SSPX because they are in union with Rome.  I find that to be a very important quality for a seminary to have.  I love Christ and the Catholic Church no matter what condition it is in, and the seminary I attend must feel the same way.  
 I don't know what to advise regarding the money situation.  Is $49,000 the cost to stay at the seminary or is that the total including living, moving, and etc?  Leaving your parents will be hard, but it wouldn't be a sacrifice if everything worked out perfectly   I had to come to the realization that to become a priest is to give yourself fully to God.  This means I would have to accept the fact that there could be a chance that I will never see my family again.  But I understood that priests must accepts this for they go where God needs them.  They are instruments of Gods will at all places, and at all times.  Always ready and willing to save souls, and having faith that God will take care of the rest.  Plus if you keep your family close to your heart you will always be with them.   I will keep you in my prayers.  Also for intercession say a novena to St. John Vianney.  

[viking]

Thank you

[HMiS]

I have been looking into the FSSP also.  I would choose them over the SSPX because they are in union with Rome.  I find that to be a very important quality for a seminary to have.  I love Christ and the Catholic Church no matter what condition it is in, and the seminary I attend must feel the same way.  
 I don't know what to advise regarding the money situation.  Is $49,000 the cost to stay at the seminary or is that the total including living, moving, and etc?  Leaving your parents will be hard, but it wouldn't be a sacrifice if everything worked out perfectly   I had to come to the realization that to become a priest is to give yourself fully to God.  This means I would have to accept the fact that there could be a chance that I will never see my family again.  But I understood that priests must accepts this for they go where God needs them.  They are instruments of Gods will at all places, and at all times.  Always ready and willing to save souls, and having faith that God will take care of the rest.  Plus if you keep your family close to your heart you will always be with them.   I will keep you in my prayers.  Also for intercession say a novena to St. John Vianney.  

Good tips, but you are most definitely wrong about the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) seminaries. They are in union with the Holy See too, although in an irregular canonical situation. And that irregular situation is due to the crisis in the entire Church and the general collapse inside Rome too. After all it is from Rome where all modernizations (deformations) came officially, and the local abuses were sometimes even finally "recognized" by modernist apparatchniks in Rome.

The crisis in the Church is very deep. And we cannot decide for ourselves all problems. Of course the sedevacantists will tell you the SSPX is heretical in the end, and that the FSSP and the "modernist Church" does not have valid Holy Orders in the Latin Rite (modernized) anymore since 1969, and the FSSP will allege the SSPX priests are schismatics and not good.

I would especially advise you to read all traditional pre-1960 papal teaching, then you will see the difficulties with the Second Vatican Council and its controversial parts of decrees, and the catastrophe the Conciliar Church went into after 1965, but I would never impose it upon you.

We must follow a well-formed orthodox and well-intentioned Roman Catholic conscience which we all have internalized hopefully. And if we do so, God will not condemn our choices, if we only make them after due study, due consideration and with good intentions. And He will help us in case we need help or need to change our ways and choices in practice a bit. Then He will show anyone that this or that seminary must be chosen, and the other one not.

And of that I am sure in case of viking. Have confidence, even if I would have chosen the SSPX.

[VetusOrdo]

I have decided to stick with FSSP where I believe my call is.

You realize that when sticking with FSSP you will have to accept, among other things, the novelty that infects the Church that is called Ecumenism, religious liberty, the New Mass, the New Catechism, etc.? Even if you'll be set in a traditional evironment - as I'm sure you will - nevertheless you'll have to accept the "new riches" and the "New Pentecost" that came forth through the Council.

I need all prayers I can get.

Certainly.

[viking]

Things are starting to moving forward (hopefully) Still looking for benefactors....