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« on: June 03, 2007, 06:33:PM »

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Three churches, three faiths, one goal
'Pulpit exchange' focuses on unity

 

  By Christopher Hall
 Special to The Courier-Journal
 

     

Catholics, Episcopalians and Methodists share a common Christian heritage that should override their theological differences, say the leaders of three major churches in downtown Louisville.

The Rev. William Fichteman, pastor at the Catholic Cathedral of the Assumption, the Rev. Mark Bourlakas, dean of Christ Church Episcopal Cathedral, and the Rev. Jean Hawxhurst, senior pastor at Fourth Avenue United Methodist Church, will take part in a tripartite pulpit exchange tomorrow. The churches formalized a "Tri-Covenant" agreement two weeks ago.

Bourlakas will deliver the homily at the morning Mass at the Cathedral of the Assumption. Fichteman will speak at the morning service at Fourth Avenue United Methodist. And Hawxhurst will preach at the morning liturgy at Christ Church Cathedral.

The agreement was ratified two weeks ago tomorrow by Archbishop Thomas Kelly of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Louisville, Bishop Edwin Gulick Jr. of the Episcopal Diocese of Kentucky and Bishop James King Jr. of the United Methodist Annual Conference of Kentucky. They made the agreement during a ceremony at Fourth Avenue United Methodist on St. Catherine Street.

It commits the three congregations to pray for and support each other and engage in joint communal prayer and service as a witness to the Louisville community, especially downtown.

Fichteman said that since only about a dozen members of each congregation attended the ratification ceremony, tomorrow's pulpit exchange will be a more public demonstration of the agreement.

The pulpit exchange "is an opportunity to touch more people with the message that we share quite a lot of our Christian heritage together," he said. "The importance of it is that it models for others that we have differences in our belief systems, but we can still find the commonalities that unite us."

The Cathedral of the Assumption and Christ Church Cathedral have had a covenant agreement for more than a quarter-century. After Fourth Avenue United Methodist began working closely with the two recently in a "Gospel Call," church leaders decided to enter into a tri-covenant relationship.

      Cathedrals serve as the bishop's seat and central church for dioceses in both the Catholic and Episcopal traditions.  

"It is vital for us to break down denominational boundaries as much as we can because we are all trying to do the work of the Gospels," Bourlakas said.

      The agreement is "an intentional witness" for Christian unity, Hawxhurst said.  

      She said she also might like to see the relationship extended to include other Christian denominations, and even other faiths.  

"Part of this is to recognize that we do have differences, and the differences are real, but this is a way to say, 'Despite our differences, we see that each other has faith and we want to walk together,' " she said.

"For me, as a leader in the Christian tradition, Jesus prayed for us to be one," she said. "To me, working toward that oneness is a part of that calling to discipleship."

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« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2007, 06:45:PM »

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...commits the three congregations to pray for and support each other and engage in joint communal prayer and service as a witness to the Louisville community, especially downtown.

This will amount to nothing but a communicatio in sacris.  Only the Catholic will be in grave sin.  None of the others can be accused since they are false religions, already culpable in their state (Episcopalians are offshoots of the heretical Church of England and Methodists are methodless in more ways than one  -- a wesleyan heresy).  Does Rome know or approve of this and or is this another one of those ongoing and endless"experiments in ecumenism" in which bishops take upon themselves as though they were the Church?  By whose authority does Archbishop Thomas Kelly act in the name of the Catholic Church?

EDIT:  Another messy mess.
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« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2007, 06:49:PM »

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Catholics, Episcopalians and Methodists share a common Christian heritage that should override their theological differences, say the leaders of three major churches in downtown Louisville.

What "common Christian heritage"?
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Caminus
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« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2007, 06:52:PM »

Didn't you get the memo?

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AdoramusTeChriste
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« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2007, 07:04:PM »

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Catholics, Episcopalians and Methodists share a common Christian heritage that should override their theological differences, say the leaders of three major churches in downtown Louisville.


What "common Christian heritage"?

I was just wondering the same thing. I can't figure out what I have in common with Henry VIII or John Wesley, but I know what I have in common with the Apostles, Our Lady, Doctors, Martyrs... the communion of Saints.
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« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2007, 02:22:AM »

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What "common Christian heritage"?
I was just wondering the same thing. I can't figure out what I have in common with Henry VIII or John Wesley, but I know what I have in common with the Apostles, Our Lady, Doctors, Martyrs... the communion of Saints.

Well, King Henry VIII was Catholic at one time so we do have that in common or at least he did at one time. It is King Edward that we have nothing in common with for that is when the Church of England started with it's new and invalidating rites.
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« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2007, 11:41:AM »

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Well, King Henry VIII was Catholic at one time so we do have that in common or at least he did at one time. It is King Edward that we have nothing in common with for that is when the Church of England started with it's new and invalidating rites.

Even though Henry VIII was made "supreme head" of the Church of England by act of Parliament in 1533, it seemed that he retained some catholicity in him (Henry enforced his "six articles" -- Transubstantiation, clerical celibacy, Communion under one kind, aurical confession, vows of chastity and private Masses -- and punished its offenders), for in his last will he asked that Masses be said for his soul, the breach and rupture with the Holy See put him outside the Church (as well as the Bull of Excommunication from Rome) and made him a non-Catholic.  Anglicanism was the creation of Thomas Cranmer who was Apb. of Canterbury during Henry's reign, and continued on under Edward VI.  Catholicism was brought back under Queen Mary, a Catholic and daughter of Queen Catherine, Henry's first and legal wife, but was reversed by her half sister Elizabeth I.

EDIT:  From Elizabeth I to this day England has been Protestant.
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« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2007, 03:29:PM »

"we are all trying to do the work of the Gospels," Bourlakas said."


More like the work of the false gospels.

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« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2007, 05:21:PM »

Another little incident making me think that I should give up and align myself completely with SSPX.  When is that motu proprio coming!

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« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2007, 07:36:PM »

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Another little incident making me think that I should give up and align myself completely with SSPX.  When is that motu proprio coming!


Unfortunately, I don't think the Motu will halt ecumenism.  IMO, it will take many years for the Church to recover from the current crisis [I do believe the traditional Mass will play a very large role in doing so], and more years still to reverse the "spirit of Vatican II" and false ecumenism.  There is, I believe, a genuine ecumenism which has as its goal the conversion of those outside of the Church who claim the title Christian.  This is the ecumenism we should work for, not a false unity with sectarians.
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