Islamin clothing

[frerejacques]

Would it be wrong to buy clothes from an Islamic store? I like their skirts and dresses, but then I might look like I support Islam....I got this site from Colleen Hammond's clothes recommendation section of her site:

http://www.shukronline.com/index.html

http://www.colleenhammond.com/resources.html

I think if you're comfortable in it, there's nothing wrong with it. I don't think anybody would mistake you for a Muslim unless you wear it with the hajib as well.  I wear clothing from all over the world just because it's fun and often much prettier than what I see in mainstream shops.  I even sometimes wear them to Mass, and thus far despite what Archangelum might have you believe the Monsignor hasn't asked to see my baptismal certificate.   

Just don't let Mrs. Hammond convince you to match your hair color with your lipstick! 

[fridayer]

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Man. That is sweet.

[Schatz]

Perhaps I should point out that the Iranian term "manto" is just a alternative spelling of the French term "manteau"?

[Archangelum]

Well, America is a new country in all aspects. There is no culture in the European sense of the word or better put- all culture in the US is imported from the European countries, mainly England, from where the colonists came. Today the country is being swept away by a wave of filth and degradation that pours into every living room thanks to the tv and massive peer/marketing pressure. Under such circumstances it comes as no surprise that young Americans look for their own traditions and come up with none whatsoever in their own country. That flag with pretty looking stars and stripes is pretty useless when it comes down to your identity it seems. So maybe it not so weird after all that even Americans, currently engaged in two wars against muslim fascists after suffering a massive terrorist attack, go look for some identity and clothing elsewhere. But that they come up with muslim clothes and find absolutely no objection in wearing them and being catholic is a very weird conclusion for me. I see that American "traditional Catholicism" must be hard to find, if even existant at all. There is no tradition in America, the nation was founded on a rupture with the Old World and everything always had to go better, faster and cheaper. There is no "traditional American clothing" therefore. Maybe that explains the cultural confusion these young Americans, parading with their muslim filth, are going through. To make matters worse, a lot of Americans even have mixed racial heritage so that doesn't do well to reinforce their own tradition if they discover they are actually the product of 2-3 totally different cultures. Was in the book of Tobit, where Tobias is encouraged not to feel better than anyone else and take a spouse of his own tribe? We now see why. It leads to indifferentism and eventually the creation of a religion and culture that is fully à la carte and doesn't correspond anymore to anything God created. It becomes a man-based cult.

As for saying that muslims dress up like "christian" because they wear t-shirts, that is just silly. There is no Christian connotation to western clothing, let alone a t-shirt or a tie. But there is massive islamic connotation to these arab-looking garments so praised here by supposed Catholics. Just read the message by angelofmercy: the islamic goverment even forces to wear these garments. It becomes a recognition sign all over the world. That there is (or was, better put) a difference between muslim and arab culture is true - but I have to conclude that from the current situation the most Arab countries are also the most islamistic countries. So that difference is true but largely a smoke screen.

And to conclude: If you're going to capitulate and attach your wagon to the muslim train, rampaging and trampling over other people as it is, you would do well to take in the other deals within the package: forced female circumsion, no pig meat, no alcohol, forced marriage and a long beard.

[Archangelum]

Furthermore, I can't speak for Belgium, but most Muslims in the United States do actually wear western clothing. It's very common to see a Muslim woman here wear a hijab on her head over a long sleeve shirt and jeans.

Well, that even reinforces my point then. If even the muslims themselves dress "western", why then would the westerns start to dress like muslims?

[Schatz]

it comes as no surprise that young Americans look for their own traditions and come up with none whatsoever in their own country.

That's not what the post was about. It was about whether purchasing from a Muslim retailer is acceptable or not; the OP has not shown any particular fascination with Muslim clothes.

But there is massive islamic connotation to these arab-looking garments so praised here by supposed Catholics.

What is that connotation, specifically? Absent wearing hijab, what connotation is there? For most people, the connotation (in terms of women) comes from wearing hijab; not the whole outfit. As mentioned above, it's not hard to find women wearing the hijab along with otherwise western attire.

Just read the message by angelofmercy: the islamic goverment even forces to wear these garments.

Which garments? The ones sold on the website?

rampaging and trampling over other people as it is

How do you get from wearing a particular item of clothing to "rampaging over other people"?

[Archangelum]

That's not what the post was about. It was about whether purchasing from a Muslim retailer is acceptable or not; the OP has not shown any particular fascination with Muslim clothes.

There are dozens upon dozens upon hundreds of different clothes to come up with. In a time where the world is suffering under the weight of vicious muslim violence, I find this obsession with muslim clothing a bit frightning. Americans are being killed daily by muslims in Iraq, what better time indeed to dress like muslim as Catholics? There aren't even any other discussions on other clothes. Just muslim clothes. So yes, the fascination here is pretty particular I wouldd are say, unless the fair gentleman can direct to me various discussions here about the qualties of Tibetan, Sioux or Hottentot-clothing? Much obliged.

What is that connotation, specifically? Absent wearing hijab, what connotation is there?

Gee, what indeed could it be? Could it possibly be that the connotation is overwhelmingly muslim? And could it possibly be that a supposed traditional Catholic dressing up like a muslim is something for the nuthouse, rather than a Catholic forum? What do you think the religion of these people is:



If you think these women are Catholics you are going through a severe identity crisis.

How do you get from wearing a particular item of clothing to "rampaging over other people"?

You just don't want to get it, do you? These clothes are fully associated with a certain religion that has been massacring people for centuries and it still doing it now. Who in their right head would want to abandon his own traditions and jump on the muslim bandwagon by wearing the same clothes as muslims? I'm sure many people like, for asthetic reasons, several German uniforms from during the war but have you ever seen (sane) people openly discussing that they want to wear these clothes in full public?

By the way, Mr. Schatz, this person here below wishes to congratulate you for helping him on his quest:

[Archangelum]

[Schatz]

At least one member of this forum has said that he's fond of WWII German uniforms and that he wouldn't mind wearing them sans insignia.

There are dozens upon dozens upon hundreds of different clothes to come up with. In a time where the world is suffering under the weight of vicious muslim violence, I find this obsession with muslim clothing a bit frightning. [sic]

You really ought to go back to the original post, because you keep portraying this as a matter of "obsession", when it's nothing of the sort. She did not randomly go looking for Arabic clothing, she got the link from blogger Colleen Hammond.

Gee, what indeed could it be? Could it possibly be that the connotation is overwhelmingly muslim? And could it possibly be that a supposed traditional Catholic dressing up like a muslim is something for the nuthouse, rather than a Catholic forum? What do you think the religion of these people is:

Did you read my comments? I specifically claimed that the specific Islamic connotations lie in wearing hijab, not any vaguely Middle Eastern clothing in general. 'Shop those pictures to show the women from shoulders down, and you'll have a lot harder time guessing. There are Buddhist connotations in wearing saffron robes, but there are none in wearing a qipao.  You continue to confound religion with culture and custom; they aren't the same.

[newtolatin]

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If you think these women are Catholics you are going through a severe identity crisis.

If those women were wearing hats instead, I would have said that those clothes were from the late 70s when we had a sudden, but brief, return to very long skirts.