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CatholicAgrarian
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« Reply #170 on: July 10, 2007, 12:29:PM »

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All you men who have a problem with breastfeeding HAVE A PROBLEM! A psychological one. Your minds have been warped by advertizements and movies. You have been turned into little drooling fools whom the advertizers and Hollywood can turn on at will. Flash a little cleavage and you're no longer in control.

Bingo. Someone who has watched their mother breast feed their siblings isn't going to have the same squeemishness about seeing someone's boob in mass that someone whose intro to breasts comes via the media (Sears catalogue, Baywatch, or whatever)
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NathanSoc
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« Reply #171 on: July 10, 2007, 11:18:PM »

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I am oppossed to public breast feeding because it lacks decorum, is embarrassing and it is inappropriate.  But it is not a scandal and I can live with it. 

I agree with Stephen, which is why it is impossible to take this thread with even a modicum of seriousness.

Personally I find the best way to treat our Earth-mothers here is the same way one treats uppity teens who demand their own "divine right" to wear the latest "home-boy" street-cred clothes to mass. The excuses are pretty much the the same and just as lame as are the histrionics: "You don't understand, you don't know what it's like", "Get a life and stop telling me how to live my life", "this is the way all teens dress now so deal with it" etc. etc. ad nauseum, before running off into their bedrooms and slamming the door. So forget reason, when dedicated to getting your own way.

In fact I find this thread says more about people than it does about breastfeeding. It never ceases to amaze me how many Catholics think they can mix'n'match Traditional Catholicism as if it were NO.  The fact is that there is no precedent in Traditional Catholicism for wetnursing during mass. The reason being that it is not traditional at all, on the contrary public breastfeeding is something up-to-date and thoroughly modern. No "timelessness" there. In fact, most mothers here were themselves probably fed mainly formula when they were born. Certainly their mothers were. But like all self proclaimed "Ancient divine rights" it is in reality nothing more than a fashion, a whim, a fad. And more often than not, something that has emerged within the Church from outside. But as is the nature of fashion, what is hip today is old-hat tomorrow. The next generation of Catholic women will probably completely eschew public breastfeeding altogether, let alone during mass, as something that only nature-worshipping hippies do - but that too will be a fashion. The novelty of a newly discovered freedom diminishes with time. In fact, truth is that the Traditional Catholic approach is that strict feeding schedules should be enforced to help prevent spoiling the child, that babies cry in order to manipulate their parents and that proper discipline begins early with showing the baby who's boss as wrong from right. Things completely contrary to the "I've had children so I know-it-all" Earth-mothers here.

One minute we are extolled by how selfless these mothers are, yet apparently they have to take their children to mass because they, not the children, want to go.

Now call me an old fuddy-duddy but I don't think taking pre-school kids to mass is appropriate.

Call me an old fuddy-duddy but I resent Catholics who allow their "little treasures" to race noisy toy cars up and down the pews, rattling keys, and distracting all around them. And there are the rest of them, thoughtfully providing their littlest with coloring books, Cheerios, and diluted apple juice so Earth-mother can possibly get 10 minutes of prayer and adoration before little timkins needs to go "toilies".

Now call me an old fuddy-duddy but I resent Catholics who allow children to draw on the baptismal font with crayons, to draw on the pew seats with pens, to walk on the pews with shoes, to litter the pews and floor with snacks, and spilt drinks.

And interestingly all of these are usually the ones who also have a baby on the boob. (no surprises there!)

Now call me an old fuddy-duddy but I think of church as the house of God. It should be treated with care, reverence, and respect. It is not a playground, a family room, a McDonald's, nor is it a mothers club! 

So I'm sorry ladies and "sensitive" guys, squeal all you like, but your tears, tantrums, mockery, ridicule and defiance will change nothing in the bigger scheme of things. And, just as some teens may resent looking like "a dork" in mass, we all know that others, out of sheer defiance will take the attitude of "well I don't care what you think, I'm going to do it anyway". which is exactly the case here with our "breastfeeders". The Church has survived all manner of fashions, fads, politics, "progressive" new ideas, and I dare say it will survive this too and into the future.



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Sophia
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« Reply #172 on: July 11, 2007, 12:25:AM »

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Personally I find the best way to treat our Earth-mothers here is the same way one treats uppity teens who demand their own "divine right" to wear the latest "home-boy" street-cred clothes to mass.

What?  A mother who demands the right to feed her child is being "upity."  What planet do you live on, buddy?  You have a problem with the system?  Take it up with God who made it that way.
  
 
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The fact is that there is no precedent in Traditional Catholicism for wetnursing during mass.


There is no precedent in Catholicism for not wetnursing during mass, just as there isn't a precedent for breathing or not during mass. 

 
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The reason being that it is not traditional at all, on the contrary public breastfeeding is something up-to-date and thoroughly modern. No "timelessness" there.


Yeah, I'm sure Eve used the bottle to feed Cain and Abel.  Breastfeeding is modern?  Have you taken your medication?

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 In fact, most mothers here were themselves probably fed mainly formula when they were born.


How long do you think formula feeding has been around?  Really?  You talk about breastfeeding as being a "fashion," yet you are woefully ignorant of the fact that large scale formula feeding isn't even 100 years old.  Women breastfeed in public, not to make a statement, but because they must. 

 
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In fact, truth is that the Traditional Catholic approach is that strict feeding schedules should be enforced to help prevent spoiling the child,


You got a source for that?  Strict feeding schedules, for your information, are another one of these fashions of the last century.

   
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that babies cry in order to manipulate their parents


Babies cry for any number of reasons, one of which being that they are HUNGRY.

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and that proper discipline begins early with showing the baby who's boss as wrong from right. Things completely contrary to the "I've had children so I know-it-all" Earth-mothers here.


I don't know it all, but I do know a thing or two about children, unlike you. 

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One minute we are extolled by how selfless these mothers are, yet apparently they have to take their children to mass because they, not the children, want to go.


No, because God wants us to go.  Yes, that is something that I, as a mother, should want to do.  Honestly, most Sundays I don't want to go- to get a brood of young children out of bed early, drive them two hours sitting in straight-jackets (that's what carseats are,)  only to distractedly sit through an hour and a half mass while getting dirty looks from "fuddy duddies" like you because my children are human and unfinished works of art. 

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Now call me an old fuddy-duddy but I don't think taking pre-school kids to mass is appropriate.


No, I'd call you a bitter, lonely man.


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Call me an old fuddy-duddy but I resent Catholics who allow their "little treasures" to race noisy toy cars up and down the pews, rattling keys, and distracting all around them. And there are the rest of them, thoughtfully providing their littlest with coloring books, Cheerios, and diluted apple juice so Earth-mother can possibly get 10 minutes of prayer and adoration before little timkins needs to go "toilies".

Now call me an old fuddy-duddy but I resent Catholics who allow children to draw on the baptismal font with crayons, to draw on the pew seats with pens, to walk on the pews with shoes, to litter the pews and floor with snacks, and spilt drinks.



You know, what that has to do with breastfeeding, I just can't figure out.  I've never seen this kind of behavior at a traditional mass, incidentally.

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And interestingly all of these are usually the ones who also have a baby on the boob. (no surprises there!)


No, it should come as no surprise that someone with children has other children and is currently engaged in the "fashion" of reproducing.

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Now call me an old fuddy-duddy but I think of church as the house of God.


Then why are you there?









 
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« Reply #173 on: July 11, 2007, 01:51:AM »

Quote from: Sophia

Quote from: NathanSoc

Personally I find the best way to treat our Earth-mothers here is the same way one treats uppity teens who demand their own "divine right" to wear the latest "home-boy" street-cred clothes to mass.

What?  A mother who demands the right to feed her child is being "upity."  What planet do you live on, buddy?  You have a problem with the system?  Take it up with God who made it that way.
   
 
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The fact is that there is no precedent in Traditional Catholicism for wetnursing during mass.

There is no precedent in Catholicism for not wetnursing during mass, just as there isn't a precedent for breathing or not during mass.

 
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The reason being that it is not traditional at all, on the contrary public breastfeeding is something up-to-date and thoroughly modern. No "timelessness" there.

Yeah, I'm sure Eve used the bottle to feed Cain and Abel.  Breastfeeding is modern?  Have you taken your medication?

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 In fact, most mothers here were themselves probably fed mainly formula when they were born.

How long do you think formula feeding has been around?  Really?  You talk about breastfeeding as being a "fashion," yet you are woefully ignorant of the fact that large scale formula feeding isn't even 100 years old.  Women breastfeed in public, not to make a statement, but because they must.  

 
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In fact, truth is that the Traditional Catholic approach is that strict feeding schedules should be enforced to help prevent spoiling the child,

You got a source for that?  Strict feeding schedules, for your information, are another one of these fashions of the last century.

   
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that babies cry in order to manipulate their parents

Babies cry for any number of reasons, one of which being that they are HUNGRY.

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and that proper discipline begins early with showing the baby who's boss as wrong from right. Things completely contrary to the "I've had children so I know-it-all" Earth-mothers here.

I don't know it all, but I do know a thing or two about children, unlike you.  

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One minute we are extolled by how selfless these mothers are, yet apparently they have to take their children to mass because they, not the children, want to go.

No, because God wants us to go.  Yes, that is something that I, as a mother, should want to do.  Honestly, most Sundays I don't want to go- to get a brood of young children out of bed early, drive them two hours sitting in straight-jackets (that's what carseats are,)  only to distractedly sit through an hour and a half mass while getting dirty looks from "fuddy duddies" like you because my children are human and unfinished works of art.  

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Now call me an old fuddy-duddy but I don't think taking pre-school kids to mass is appropriate.

No, I'd call you a bitter, lonely man.


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Call me an old fuddy-duddy but I resent Catholics who allow their "little treasures" to race noisy toy cars up and down the pews, rattling keys, and distracting all around them. And there are the rest of them, thoughtfully providing their littlest with coloring books, Cheerios, and diluted apple juice so Earth-mother can possibly get 10 minutes of prayer and adoration before little timkins needs to go "toilies".

Now call me an old fuddy-duddy but I resent Catholics who allow children to draw on the baptismal font with crayons, to draw on the pew seats with pens, to walk on the pews with shoes, to litter the pews and floor with snacks, and spilt drinks.


You know, what that has to do with breastfeeding, I just can't figure out.  I've never seen this kind of behavior at a traditional mass, incidentally.

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And interestingly all of these are usually the ones who also have a baby on the boob. (no surprises there!)

No, it should come as no surprise that someone with children has other children and is currently engaged in the "fashion" of reproducing.

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Now call me an old fuddy-duddy but I think of church as the house of God.

Then why are you there?


Well said Sophia........
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« Reply #174 on: July 11, 2007, 02:03:AM »

Damn!




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Marylou
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« Reply #175 on: July 11, 2007, 04:04:AM »

Now call me an old fuddy-duddy but I don't think taking pre-school kids to mass is appropriate.


Well Nathan seeing you are so passionate about this no doubt you will volunteer to run the creche ! :baby
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« Reply #176 on: July 11, 2007, 04:20:AM »

Quote from: NathanSoc
Quote from: StephenF

I am oppossed to public breast feeding because it lacks decorum, is embarrassing and it is inappropriate.  But it is not a scandal and I can live with it. 

I agree with Stephen, which is why it is impossible to take this thread with even a modicum of seriousness.


You said it!

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CaroleK
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« Reply #177 on: July 11, 2007, 08:39:AM »

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Now call me an old fuddy-duddy but I don't think taking pre-school kids to mass is appropriate.

Isn't it funny how the Church dares to disagree with you, Nathan?

I have read several times from priests, bishops, Cardinals and Popes that the place for children is in the Church and attending the Mass.  Children do not learn how to behave during the Mass and proper reverence by sitting at home with a babysitter. If it were possible for most of us to find one with whom we would entrust our children (particularly our infant children) who is not themselves in attendance at Mass.

Or are you suggesting that mothers miss Mass for months, nay years on end, so that you are not inconvenienced or disconcerted?  Perhaps you should practice the virtue of Charity.

The fact that you are an insufferably rude "know-it-all" does not mean that you are correct.  I'll take the wise counsel of my priest over your internet pontificating every single time.  But thanks for playing.

Oh yeah ... and I think I'll listen to Christ - From the Gospel of St. Mark Chapter 10:

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13 And they brought to him young children, that he might touch them. And the disciples rebuked them that brought them. 14 Whom when Jesus saw, he was much displeased and saith to them: Suffer the little children to come unto me and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God. 15 Amen I say to you, whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall not enter into it. 16 And embracing them and laying his hands upon them, he blessed them.
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CatholicAgrarian
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« Reply #178 on: July 11, 2007, 08:53:AM »

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In fact, most mothers here were themselves probably fed mainly formula when they were born. Certainly their mothers were.

You had me going until you got here. No traditionalist is going miss the glaring fact that even if his mommy and his mommy's mommy were fed formula, his mommy's mommy's mommy definitely wasn't. And of course there's this.

Here we have a case of an anonymous, bored single man getting a kick out of getting a bunch of mothers riled up. Come on, you've had your laugh, now apologize. Surely you are not truly this asinine.
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CaroleK
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« Reply #179 on: July 11, 2007, 09:00:AM »

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One minute we are extolled by how selfless these mothers are, yet apparently they have to take their children to mass because they, not the children, want to go.

I believe you'll find that weekly attendance at Mass is a precept of the Church and a purposeful lack of attendance is a grave matter and can be a mortal sin.

I daresay that you will find that many mothers with children (particularly of a nursing age) would far rather stay at home than drag themselves and their children to Mass.  This is not a matter of personal preference but a matter of a precept of the Church.  Unless you are suggesting that merely having children is a valid reason for missing Mass?  An idea that I am certain many priests would find laughable.
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