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« on: July 11, 2007, 01:21:PM » |
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I'm putting together a calendar that has the 1962 and Novus Ordo Calendars for iCal; I have a question, though about transferring feasts. Next year, St. Joseph (Mar 19) falls on Wednesday of Holy Week; this being a I Class feast, it is entitled to be transferred. Does this feast move all the way to the Monday after Low Sunday? This is the case in the NO Calendar. Also, the Annunciation occurs during Easter Week. What's the solution?
Is there any limit to how far a feast can be displaced? I realize that two weeks would seem to be the practical limit, in the case of Holy Week and the Easter Octave, but is there a theoretical limit?
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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2007, 06:14:PM » |
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Any I Class Feasts from Palm Sunday to Low Sunday inclusive are transferred to the next free day. The Annunciation is transferred to Low Monday, with St. Joseph on the following Tuesday, as our Lady outranks St. Joseph.
There's no limit on transferring a feast, as they're moved to the next day which admits feasts of that sort. Theoretically, if every day of a month had a Double of the I or II class, the feast would be transferred to the following month.
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« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2007, 11:35:PM » |
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Thank you. I have another question. According to the 1962 rubrics, only I Class feasts are transferred; what to do with St. Lawrence in 2008? His feast is impeded by Sunday - is his Vigil still celebrated on Saturday? That seems odd.
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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2007, 09:35:AM » |
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That does seem odd, but it would appear so, since he's commemorated on Sunday. Chapter XVI, "On Commemorations": 111(b). "On Sundays of the II class, one commemoration only is admitted, namely of a feast of the II class, which nevertheless is omitted if a privileged commemoration is to be made."
In the older calendar, the Vigil would be commemorated on Saturday (the 9th is the feast of St. John Vianney; the 1962 calendar moved him back a day, reducing Ss. Cyriacus, Largus, and Smaragdus Martyrs to a commemoration), and St. Laurence celebrated on Sunday (as a Double of the II class) with a Commemoration of the Sunday.
In the NO calendar, the day is of the Sunday, with no commemoration of St. Lawrence.
Edit: I was wrong about the Vigil - it's omitted that year, with the day kept as a Feria. St. Laurence is a III class Vigil (the only one, actually). Chapter V, "On Vigils": 33. "Vigils of the II or III class are completely omitted, if they occur on any Sunday whatsoever, or on a feast of the I class, or if the feast which they precede is transferred to another day or happens to be reduced to a commemoration."
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« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2007, 12:36:PM » |
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Here's another one for you, Paul.  Next year, the Most Holy Family and the Baptism of the Lord occur on the First Sunday after the Epiphany, Jan. 13. In the 1962 calendar, you'd celebrate the Holy Family, commemorate the Sunday and omit the Baptism, right?
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« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2007, 06:46:PM » |
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Here's another one for you, Paul.  Next year, the Most Holy Family and the Baptism of the Lord occur on the First Sunday after the Epiphany, Jan. 13. In the 1962 calendar, you'd celebrate the Holy Family, commemorate the Sunday and omit the Baptism, right? You had to ask about the 1962 calendar, didn't you? I have to look that one up.  Before, the Holy Family was celebrated on Saturday, January 12th, and the Octave day of the Epiphany on Sunday with a Commemoration of the I Sunday after the Epiphany. The 1962 Missal says, for the Holy Family: "If the Feast of the Holy Family occurs on 13 January, Mass is said of the feast of the Holy Family, without a commemoration of the Baptism of O. L. J. C., and without a commemoration of the Sunday", and for the Baptism, "If the I Sunday after Epiphany occur on the same day, it is said of the Holy Family of Jesus, Mary, Joseph, without a Commemoration of the Baptism of the Lord, nor of the Sunday." The 1962 rubrics treat Sundays and mysteries of the Lord as the same, and they are not commemorated when they occur, including the Holy Family, Trinity Sunday, and Christ the King.
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« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2007, 09:09:PM » |
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Thanks for the link - I'll probably order one.
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« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2007, 08:46:PM » |
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Just found this article: http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=20736Which says that the Vatican anticipated this in 2006, and moved St. Joseph to Mar. 15 for the year (and Annunciation to Mar. 31, as expected). I can't find the decree itself, but it states that the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments issued the decree - would this effect those who use the 1962 Missal/Breviary, or would the decree have to come from Ecclesia Dei to effect the older Missal? This also will conflict with the Irish bishops, who moved St. Patrick to Mar. 15 next year - what a mess!
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Sicut canis qui revertitur ad vomitum suum, sic imprudens qui iterat stultitiam suam. (Prov. 26:11)
Esse nihil dicis quidquid petis, inprobe Cinna: si nil, Cinna, petis, nil tibi, Cinna, nego. (Martial 3.61)
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« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2007, 09:52:PM » |
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The older rubrics apply to the 1962 Missal and Breviary, which specify that feasts are only to be transferred forward:
96. Feasts of the I class impeded on the day which in the table of precedence occupy a higher place, are transferred to the nearest following [sequentem] day which is not of the I or II class. However: a) the feast of the Annunciation of the B. Virgin Mary, when it is to be transferred after Easter, is transferred, as in its own place, to Monday after Low Sunday; b) the Commemoration of All the Faithful Departed, when it occurs with Sunday, is transferred, as in its own place, to the following Monday.
The NO follows a different rubric:
60. If several celebrations fall on the same day, the one that holds the highest rank according to the preceding Table of Liturgical Days is observed. But a solemnity impeded by a liturgical day that takes precedence over it should be transferred to the closest day not listed on nos. 1-8 in the table of precedence; the rule of no. 5 [concerning Sundays] remains in effect. Other celebrations are omitted that year.
It's a bit confusing, but there's already plenty of feasts that aren't the same on the two calendars.
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