Please Help

[Ziggamafu]

I found this forum and there is a thread that glorifies abortion. Abortion is the most vile evil in the world and it is literally too painful for me to try dissuading the people in the thread I'm providing a link to. I know there are people here far smarter than me who are capable of fighting these people...it is making me ill just reading their posts. I found their forum while browsing Google video. Apparently the forum has been posting lots of videos that mock our faith or attempt to prove God does not exist - and the videos have been getting a ton of hits! It is very, very scary.

I guess I'm kind of calling for an online "crusade" of sorts, here and I know there are people here that are able to help in this fight...please help. I'm more of the sort that prays and offers penance rather than verbal confrontations / debates. Here is a quote from the thread:

A human foetus is not a person. It may look like a cute little developing human that tugs everyone’s heartstrings, and it may move about, but it has no sense of self, it has no memories, it has no opinions, it cannot experience pain, pleasure, emotion. It is a potential person, it could become a person, but at that stage it is NOT a person.

As a (sorta-not-quite) woman, I would rather risk death and seek out an illegal abortion than have a government of primarily old, rich men dictate what I can and cannot do with my body. It does not matter whether the thing inside me is a potential human being or not: I will not play host to a clump of human-shaped cells merely because I have the ability to do so.

I find the tactics employed by the “pro-life” movement disgusting. It used to wrench my heart to see pictures of aborted foetuses being cut up by knives and scissors, but it didn't change my mind. It just made the "pro-life" movement lose credibility. I’ve become desensitised to the pictures of death foetuses, to the cute babies, to the poems full of little angelic embryos asking mummy why she aborted them. It may be sad, but to force a woman to carry to term and raise that child out of guilt and fear and a sense of “obligation” is the saddest thing of all.

It seems to me that a majority of “pro-lifers” do not give much thought to the child after it is born. It was not wanted, it was born because the mother was prevented from having an abortion. I know what it's like to be told over and over by a parent that they never wanted children. You feel guilty and worthless for ruining their life. I would not wish that on any child.

It is extremely hard to raise a child. I’m not even of legal drinking age but due to the incompetence of my parents I’ve taken it upon myself to help raise and educate my siblings in preparation for the adult world. It’s hard work and I would NEVER wish this upon someone who did not choose it. I love them dearly, but sometimes they feel like a burden. The guilt, the fear, the exasperation, the exhaustion, the complete and utter love ... sometimes I wonder why ANYONE would want to be a parent, let alone be forced into it.
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If abortion is criminalised it will just hurt more. Women will still get abortions, and more women will die because they do not have access to proper health and medical facilities and competent doctors. Education is the answer, but most of the people pushing for the criminalisation of abortion are also the ones who push for “abstinence!” education...

...Whatever your reasons for opposing abortion, in effect you are stating that you believe that a non person is more important than a pregnant woman. It may sound heartless, but if I ever learned that I was at substantial risk of death by carrying or giving birth to my baby, and was given a choice between the baby and my life, I’d choose my life every time. I can always have more children, or adopt. I like to think that I am more important than something that cannot survive without me, something that is not aware that I, or even itself, exists.

You guys obviously do not need to read all 14 pages of the thread to get the idea. The pro-choicers FAR outnumber (and even ridicule) the pro-lifers. I'm turning to you guys in hopes that you might spare just a bit of your time there; I know you all do such great work and help so many people here...I just hope you can find a bit of time to let those people have it.

I apologize if this is an inappropriate request! Here is the link to the thread (notice the name of the website):

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forum/index.php?topic=5400.390;topicseen

[GrumpyTroll]

It may look like a cute little developing human that tugs everyone’s heartstrings, and it may move about, but it has no sense of self, it has no memories, it has no opinions, it cannot experience pain, pleasure, emotion. It is a potential person, it could become a person, but at that stage it is NOT a person.

While we are at it, why do we not put to death people with Alzheimer’s disease and other such disabilities? They cost so much to keep alive, after all, and it is not like it hasn’t already been done before …

It seems to me that a majority of “pro-lifers” do not give much thought to the child after it is born. It was not wanted, it was born because the mother was prevented from having an abortion. I know what it's like to be told over and over by a parent that they never wanted children. You feel guilty and worthless for ruining their life. I would not wish that on any child.

Have these people never heard of adoption?

[Ziggamafu]

Oh my goodness, it is SOOOOOOO terrible. Honestly. When I first visited the place, I checked out their section on God...it wasn't until later that I noticed the abortion area...

[CarolusMagnus]

There can be no debate with them because we do not share one inch of common ground, I mean they don'teven agree that a unborn child is a person and keep referring to the baby as it, they are clearly in he grip of Satan and only prayer can cure that.

[ColbertFan]

The fourm itself is biased, although it says that it wants two sides of debate, it is made to be sided with athesim.  "Debating" in there is like trying to stop a heard of stampeading animals.  Now matter how much you try and no matter how good your arguements are, they'll due nothing because you'll be fighting sheer numbers.

[ILikeAugustine]

If a fetus is not a person, why is it double murder when a woman and her unborn child are killed?

[miss_fluffy]

I would recommend the book "Abortion: Questions and Answers" by Dr. & Mrs. Willke.

There are many arguments in there refuting everything this person has said.  Mostly, pro-life activists are usually very active in assisting women in crisis pregnancies.  They will even go so far as purchasing all the diapers a baby needs for the first 6 mos, buying car seats, cribs, clothes, everything the mother needs.

So many caring pro-lifers are out there to help women in need.  All the pro-choice people offer is for them to pay a fee and kill their baby.

There was also a section in the book above about how unplanned pregnancies do not lead to unwanted children.  There is no evidence that unplanned children are loved less, or neglected any moreso than planned children.  In fact, I think there was evidence that planned children are more likely to be put up to difficult standards, and more likely to be abused.

[Ziggamafu]

I think maybe someone here posted an awesome response. I just don't understand how people can be blinded like that...a little over two weeks ago, my wife had our second baby - and VERY prematurely. Thanks be to God, our new daughter is doing very well and now seems to be out of harms way. But she was born at less than thirty weeks. According to the people on that forum, she could have been murdered without consequence. It horrifies me and breaks my heart. I am in awe at God's grace for not wiping pro-abort nations out completely.

[DesperatelySeeking]

How do you simultaneously favor abortion AND want a photo from your ultrasound for the family album?

[Ziggamafu]

How do you simultaneously favor abortion AND want a photo from your ultrasound for the family album?

WOE! Awesome point.