For the women ... Do you ever worry about your daughters?

[Marty]

Uh, just in case, no the F-word is not appropriate on the forum

Oh no fair :sad:

[MikeSearson]

Beer

[Marty]

Beer

Hey!! :mad:

[VoxClamantis]

You mean the thread was about finding a man to marry.  Now as far as I can tell it's about whether or not it's a sin to pass gas! 

 
Hmmm, this has me wondering about what to do with potential grooms who fart. Anyone? Beuller?

I have been a traditional Catholic all of my life and have attended SSPX, Independent and Indult Masses, and I must say I have never met a young traditional Catholic woman who fits this bizarre description, though I suppose they may be out there wearing their 'Kick Me' signs so people know and don't have to assume that they have sick sexual kinks that need satisfaction from abusive men. 

 
I haven't met any in real life, but then I don't get out much. I've encountered plenty of them online, though, and in pondering the psychology of such women, the only thing I can come up with is that lack of self-respect and/or a kink. They are out there, and it's sad, sad, sad.

If CaroleK's daughters are among them I suppose she can consider herself warned, but I highly doubt it.  If a young St. Rita or St. Monica were living in our times it would be easy for a jaded observer to chalk up their 'weak, self-esteemless, Kick-Me' conduct in their marriages to sexual kinks, but the Church views it differently.

 
I am not talking about SS. Rita and Monica, but about women I've run into (virtually) who are not just coping, in faith, with a rotten husband, but think that women are illogical, unreasoned, irrational, children-with-wombs whose sole purpose in life is to breed, suffer and wear frumpy clothes. And then kvetch in forums about how horrible and busy their lives are -- but how they love it! -- and how women who don't want to live as they do -- who want their daughters to be educated, who don't swoon at the sight of sisters in pants, who know that ideas are for girls, who don't pretend to have seemingly grown up in the 19th c., etc. --  are "modernist feminist heretics."

My husband just told me in a loud and angry German tone that I'm done for on this site.  Apparently I'm not supposed to disagree with the gal who has the buttons to kick me off of it.  He finally convinced me to join a few days ago and I think I'll get more than my usual nightly beating if I screw this up.  No, CASSIUS!!! PLEASE!!! STOP!!! NO, GO AHEAD!  NO STOP!!! I MEAN, NO GO AHEAD!!!

 
Nooooo, Cassius! If you beat her, who will make you dessert?!! LOL

[Mommie2Boys]

women who don't want to live as they do -- who want their daughters to be educated, who don't swoon at the sight of sisters in pants, who know that ideas are for girls, who don't pretend to have seemingly grown up in the 19th c., etc. --  are "modernist feminist heretics."

Hmmmm...I guess I count as a modernist feminist heretic then. Maybe I should have a button made. :lol:  I noticed the difference when my family made the jump from a privately owned Traditional chapel to the SSPX churches. I grew up with no one ever saying "girls shouldn't go to college" or "Women shouldn't wear pants" or "Anything other than frump is vanity"...then imagine the culture shock to my teenage self when we started frequenting the SSPX chapels so I could become confirmed and then got hit in the head with Bishop Williamson's sermons. :eek:

[Euphrosyne]

 I am not talking about SS. Rita and Monica, but about women I've run into (virtually) who are not just coping, in faith, with a rotten husband, but think that women are illogical, unreasoned, irrational, children-with-wombs whose sole purpose in life is to breed, suffer and wear frumpy clothes. And then kvetch in forums about how horrible and busy their lives are -- but how they love it! -- and how women who don't want to live as they do -- who want their daughters to be educated, who don't swoon at the sight of sisters in pants, who know that ideas are for girls, who don't pretend to have seemingly grown up in the 19th c., etc. --  are "modernist feminist heretics."

Sadly, this description does sound a bit familiar.  Hey, this if the first time I've ever thought of myself as a "modernist feminist heretic"!  How novel.  Although I must admit that in spite of growing up in a house full of pants, shorts, and you name it, I am a girly girl all the way and almost always wear skirts and dresses...preferrably a bit retro, or (blame it on my creative streak) even slightly more eccentric styles since the web gives me access to clothing from all times and all parts of the world.  However, in spite of my death-defying breath-defying 19th century corsets I have never once fainted at seeing a woman wearing pants.  Now a woman reading something other than a recipe book and wearing pants...

SWOON.                 

[CatholicAgrarian]

women are illogical, unreasoned, irrational, children-with-wombs whose sole purpose in life is to breed, suffer and wear frumpy clothes. 

What in the hayell is gotten into you? This is not a significant percentage of the Traditionalist woman population, just like the wife beating chauvs are not a significant percentage of the Traditionalist male population. Why wax so eloquent about these insignicant minorities?

[CaroleK]

women are illogical, unreasoned, irrational, children-with-wombs whose sole purpose in life is to breed, suffer and wear frumpy clothes.

What in the hayell is gotten into you? This is not a significant percentage of the Traditionalist woman population, just like the wife beating chauvs are not a significant percentage of the Traditionalist male population. Why wax so eloquent about these insignicant minorities?

Perhaps because these minority populations are very vocal in on-line circles giving the majority of traditional Catholics both a headache and a rather poor reputation.

[Monica]

"A sane woman only has to be hit ONCE."

Indeed, Mike.  But moreover let's all make sure that when said sane woman is hit and leaves, she never ever comes back.   Once an abuser, always an abuser.
 
"Who's the Patron saint of human punching bags?"

Are you volunteering?

In answer to your question, Saint Monica is the patron saint of abuse victims (google 'patron saint index').  However, Saint Monica wasn't a human punching bag precisely because she knew how and when to "put up and shut up" (as Richeldis put it) as much for the sake of her husband's soul as for her own.  Her prayers and example obtained his conversion.

The physical and spiritual safety of children is more important than a marriage.  You can pray and offer up sacrifices for someone and still not have contact with the person and keep them away from the children.

I own and have read Three to Get Married, and it's a great book-- I recommend it to everyone I know who's getting married.

But what does Christ say about someone who scandalizes children?

Yes, let's hear it for Saint Monica!  And who doesn't worry about their children?  My little girl is learning about the lives of the Saints, and we're going to cover Monica in depth.  I want her to know more about Monica, Therese, and other female saints than she knows about the blasted Disney Princesses. As far as getting married, which I hope I live to see, as long as she finds someone who treasures her for who she is, I'm not too concerned whether they're trad, or even Catholic.  Go ahead, vilify me!!

[Richeldis]

women are illogical, unreasoned, irrational, children-with-wombs whose sole purpose in life is to breed, suffer and wear frumpy clothes. 

What in the hayell is gotten into you? This is not a significant percentage of the Traditionalist woman population, just like the wife beating chauvs are not a significant percentage of the Traditionalist male population. Why wax so eloquent about these insignicant minorities?

They tend to be quite noisy influential minorities, that's the trouble, usually able to quote something obscure at you in a condescending manner if you give them so much as a friendly look. I don't want a child of mine to be drawn into that kind of religious sub-culture  . Forewarned is forearmed, as my dear Dad says.
Anyway, Tradition isn't the only place you find control freaks, look at that website Vox posted - no, DON'T  look at that website, unless you (a) have a warped sense of humour (b) a strong constitution (c) both.

I quite like my family to be aware of anyone who might give them the view that they are somehow inferior due to their gender.