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Author Topic: For the women ... Do you ever worry about your daughters?  (Read 15253 times)
AdoramusTeChriste
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« Reply #30 on: July 31, 2007, 01:18:PM »

I worry about my daughters all the time. I think Vox's list of faults is spot on, at least as far as the sampling that we see here at FE among the young (late-teens to upper middle twenties) male adult set of members. The only thing I can add is that men don't have to be Catholic to be jerks. The jerk market is broad and by no means cornered.

I like Sophia's list of qualities but I don't know where anyone would find that guy. Maybe at the bar where Karen hangs out. LOL My own dh has most of the qualities, but he is not Catholic. We're still working on that though. Smile

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« Reply #31 on: July 31, 2007, 01:46:PM »

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I worry about my daughters all the time. I think Vox's list of faults is spot on, at least as far as the sampling that we see here at FE among the young (late-teens to upper middle twenties) male adult set of members.


Yeah, if FE is any indication of what's out there percentage wise, we are in trouble.  I don't think it is though.  My SIL just married a traditional Catholic man who isn't like that at all, and he has brothers. 
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Johanna
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« Reply #32 on: July 31, 2007, 04:27:PM »

I wouldn't worry too much.  How many women do you know who are actually married to a traditional guy like that?  Though the number of them in the dating pool might be going up: my husband told me a story once about going to a SSPX teen boys retreat, and even at the time he was rather shocked by the number of 16 year old male chauvinists.  I think most of them must grow out of it - teenage boys are very often weak when it come to subtle thought.  Women should submit to their husbands, therefore all women should submit to all men, ect. It reminds me of the arguments that I used to have with my brother when we were both teenagers:

Joe: Emotions are bad.

Me: They are not bad unless you let them control you. 

Joe: So they're bad.

Me: It's not that simple.

Joe: You're just emotional.

Me: I am not!

Joe: Yes you are: emotions are bad.

Me:
Joe: See? Emotions are bad!

Me: Get out of my room!


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“Our Earth is degenerate in these later days; there are signs that the world is speedily coming to an end; bribery and corruption are common; children no longer obey their parents; every man wants to write a book and the end of the world is evidently approaching.”

 - An Assyrian clay tablet dating to around 2800 B.C.

If you think it's the end of the world, you're not the first.  But hey, eventually someone will be right.
ErinIsNice
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« Reply #33 on: July 31, 2007, 04:53:PM »

Quote from: Johanna
I wouldn't worry too much.  How many women do you know who are actually married to a traditional guy like that?  

I know a few.  Most of the guys I know who are like that are single though.  And not all of them are traditional, you find it in practicing NO young men as well.
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TheTalentedMisterReid
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« Reply #34 on: July 31, 2007, 07:06:PM »

Where do you find these people?  On the internet?  I have never met/seen a "Trad" my age (20, going on 21) or any within an eight year deviation each way.

But yes, I think the faux machismo of some of these internet "Trad" men is a fascinating hybrid of two things: their misinterpretations of the Catholic ideal of manhood and the ingrained adolescent immaturity (which includes lack of subtlety, distinction and detail) promoted by our culture.

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Cyriacus
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« Reply #35 on: July 31, 2007, 07:31:PM »

You probably have more serious concerns for your daughters than them winding up married to some boorish "typical" Traditionalist Catholic young man.

This thread was tiring, and though I can sympathize with much that was said, I thought it enormously uncharitable. The "typical" Traditionalist young woman, is, of course, a saint.

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QuisUtDeus
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« Reply #36 on: July 31, 2007, 07:33:PM »

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The "typical" Traditionalist young woman, is, of course, a saint.

That's off topic for this thread, but you can certainly start a discussion on that if you like.  Just start a new thread, maybe in the men's forum.

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Cyriacus
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« Reply #37 on: July 31, 2007, 08:07:PM »

Quote from: QuisUtDeus

Quote from: Cyriacus
The "typical" Traditionalist young woman, is, of course, a saint.

That's off topic for this thread, but you can certainly start a discussion on that if you like.  Just start a new thread, maybe in the men's forum.


I was just saying that to make a point, not to slight women. Traditional gender roles (like everything else) in our society have been thrust into confusion, so it is only natural that those of us sympathetic to age before the upheaval should want to impose, even to the point of absurdity, harsh, categorical thinking and generalizations. This isn't restricted to one sex, and it isn't a problem confined to gender, either, but we see it in our understandings of politics, wealth, race, and nearly everything else before us.

No man is "man" in the general, and no woman is "woman" in the general. Traditionalists seem to like to talk about the proper roles and attitudes of men and women, and generally regurgitate the same old "active versus passive," "logic versus emotion." ("Boys don't cry," etc.) To take these simplistic, binary formulae such as this and derive generalizations and idealizations is nothing short of oppressive, and the cynicism towards this sort of thought, I have to admit, makes the liberal approach to religion attractive in some respects.

In the Zohar, the phrase עולם קטן is used to describe human nature, and it appears in the Midrash as well. It means "little world," and is the source of the famous phrase "To kill a single person is to destroy the entire world." That is to say the totality of creation is contained within the soul of man; man is the microcosm and the world, visible and invisible, is the macrocosm. We would do better, I think, to experience people as individuals, as distinct totalities, beyond the grasp of generalization and abstraction, than to regress into categorical thinking.
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VoxClamantis
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« Reply #38 on: July 31, 2007, 08:26:PM »

Well, to Hell with the Zohar, but right on to the sentiments expressed, Cyriacus. Stuffing people too tightly into boxes really gets on my last nerve.

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Liza_Do_A_Lot
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« Reply #39 on: July 31, 2007, 08:45:PM »

Every ONE of you have forgotten a very important thing to DO!

PRAYER....

St Joseph found my Traditional Catholic husband.  And with all the traits that Sophia mentioned.

Why?

Because I listed them and asked St Joseph especially.  I did the monthly day after day novena.  And continued with a 9 day novenas.

(Though let me mention, one thing I did forget to ask for was his TEMPER....and boy does he have one, though its one that bursts apart....then once the 'balloon' has fallen to the floor, he is right again!)

I also rememeber my mother saying to me as a child.....all the time....Prayer always to find a good catholic husband.  And St Joseph (being one) will send one.

I have FOUR daughters - 9yrs, 7yrs, 6yrs and 4yrs.......AND YES, I also worry about them....there is ONLY one answer...and I mentioned it above.

I have the NOVENA book all typed out, if anyone interested in a copy....PM me!

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