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NorthernTrad
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« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2007, 03:13:PM »

Quote from: AndreaW

OK, out of curiosity, why is Cardinal Mahoney allowed to continue his shenanigans?

Because to the Modernists there is no true right and wrong.  Expel the Modernists from the Vatican, you'll expel them from the rest of the Church.

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« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2007, 03:19:PM »

I agree partially,I know people are different,But I think prayer and the Eucharist are more effective than therapy.
I read yesterday about an exorcist,the chief exorist for the US, who exorsized people who had been for years in therapy,with way more success,and he explained that most of the physchs just didnt get it,demons are always present during these molestations,and he went on to further say that in 100 % of these cases the offending priest was possesed.
Prayer and the sacraments are going to be far more effective than any therapy.
As for $$$ damages,some but lets not overdue it.Do you wanna pay for them? I dont. Its not my responsibility to give them $$$ because of what someone did to someone else.And dont think for a minute that you aren't paying some with the collection $$$.
At least at OLHC I know the collection is not used for that.
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« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2007, 03:51:PM »

Quote from: QuisUtDeus
That said, I wonder more about the people who continue to put money in the basket where these bishops have been covering things up.  We're supposed to support the Church, not predatory priests who prey on naive adolescent boys and girls.

Here, I would reference the article called The Teflon Cardinal.

According to the article, it's because roughly 70% of the Archdiocese of LA is made up of Hispanic immigrants. Cardinal Mahony has spent his entire career working in favor of legal and illegal immigrants, so the parishioners see him as "one of their own", or even one of their only friends. Because of that, the parishioners are very much willing to look the other way, and according to surveys, the sex abuse scandal hasn't really affected them at all.

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Far from resisting it, Mahony has welcomed the growing Latino nature of the church. Certainly no L.A. Latino was surprised when the cardinal participated in the huge pro-immigrant rally last spring (wearing not his usual cardinal's garb but a T-shirt that read "We Are America" in English, Spanish and Korean). He even tacitly encouraged parishes to involve themselves in the planning for the demonstration. As a result, the affection and respect in which Mahony is held in Latino Los Angeles is enormous and is unlikely to be shaken even by the pedophile scandal. To the contrary, "Rogelio" Mahony, as he is known in East L.A., will almost certainly retain the allegiance of the vast majority of his parishioners.

It is this fact that explains the difference in the way the church sex abuse crisis has played out in L.A. and the way it has played out in cities like Boston. As a shrewd lay Catholic friend of mine in Los Angeles pointed out to me recently, in Boston there eventually was organized lay opposition beyond that of victims organizations -- and that was what finally made Cardinal Law's position untenable. In the end, Law also lost the allegiance of many of his own parish priests. Nothing could be further from Mahony's situation.

When I spent six weeks reporting a long story last year on Mahony and the Catholic Church in L.A., not one Latino Catholic I spoke to at parish churches all over the city raised the sex abuse issue. Despite criticism of the cardinal from Anglo parts of town (Catholic and non-Catholic alike), the fact is that, like it or not, the pedophile scandal is simply not a central issue in most L.A. parishes.

Should it be otherwise, given the fact that the scandal is all too real? In considerable measure, this depends on who you are. Undoubtedly, many Latino Catholics are dismayed by the scandal, many of whose victims and perpetrators were Latino themselves. But Latinos in general and immigrants in particular have found a powerful champion in Mahony at a time when the powerful are more given to immigrant-bashing than to compassion or solidarity.

Viewed from this perspective, it should not be surprising if Mahony's congregants overwhelmingly choose to forgive him for what he did and did not do. Mature self-interest dictates nothing less. Whether Mahony failed to deal with the troubled priests, whose depredations he ignored for so long because it was a distraction from these social issues he deemed more important, is of course something only the cardinal could tell us. And with the settlement having relieved him of that obligation, he is unlikely ever to do so.


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Bruno
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« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2007, 04:54:PM »

Perhaps they would be interested in relocating at one of the Traditional Convents.

Go to sspx.org click on Vocations. They list: Carmelites in Spokane, WA; The Dominicans in Post Falls, ND; The Franciscans in Kansas City, MO. Also the Sisters of SSPX - not sure where they are.

I'm sure they are all looking for more Sisters. I know the Franciscans are.

God Bless,

Bruno
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« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2007, 05:25:PM »

Archbishop 10K: Mahony is not exactly free and clear. The DA is investigating him concerning some files that disappeared or were destroyed on priests being investigated. The civil suits are settled,I also hear more may be coming,but the criminal investigation is on-going.

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« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2007, 05:52:PM »

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Archbishop 10K: Mahony is not exactly free and clear. The DA is investigating him concerning some files that disappeared or were destroyed on priests being investigated. The civil suits are settled,I also hear more may be coming,but the criminal investigation is on-going.

That's good. Mahony needs to be forcibly removed from his "ministry", one way or the other.

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« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2007, 06:27:PM »

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I didn't say they shouldnt get something,but some are just plain greedy,and how many are made up? I'm not convinced the church should be responsible for the actions of a rogue priest.

It may not be so much the victims that are pushing for money---but you can bet their lawyers are.  Most of the lawyers, I'm betting, see the Church as a big, fat, juicy, rich target, with overflowing funds that they're just salivating to get out of the church coffers and into their own pockets. 

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« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2007, 07:28:PM »

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I really doubt many at all are made up.



This is purely anecdotal but I know of at least one.  My father's cousin is receiving a million for an affair with a young priest that she had 30+ years ago at the age of 16-17.  I think it is plain wrong that she jumps on the handout gravy train for something that she pursued.  I'm not saying the relationship was at all appropriate but the story went from 'shhhh...i was in love with a priest while in high school' prior to the abuse scandals, to 'he should have known better!!' once money became involved.  

I'm sure stories like that are the minority, but still, it makes me doubt the honesty of people.
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« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2007, 08:03:PM »

There are always a few like the story above, but overall the problem has been with adolescent boys, and no amount of money can ever make things right.

As for kicking out the nuns so boorishly - this is OUTRAGEOUS.   I'm starting to be one of these people who thinks the Antichrist is breathing down our necks.
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Caminus
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« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2007, 08:06:PM »

The proposition which states, "Cardinal Mahoney is neither a Cardinal nor a Catholic" is self-evident and beyond any reasonable doubt.  I'm not sure why he is still being seriously referred to anymore.

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