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Author Topic: Fatima, journalists roughed up by Vatican goons  (Read 4772 times)
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« on: September 25, 2007, 05:08:AM »

VATICAN GOONS ROUGH UP SOCCI, PAOLINI OUTSIDE BERTONE PRESS  CONFERENCE

Cardinal enters by side door, refuses  questions

Rome, Sept. 22nd (Fatima Network) - The Italian press and  public were scandalized this weekend by reports in the Roman media of a  confrontation late Friday afternoon between Vatican security guards and noted  Italian journalist Antonio Socci and Fatima researcher Solideo Paolini.

The two men, widely known for their recent research and writings on the Third  Secret of Fatima, suffered some bruises as they were shoved away from the  entrance to the Pontifical Urbaniana University, where Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone  was about to hold a press conference.

The meeting was organized by the Vatican to relaunch Cardinal Bertone’s  book, L’Ultima Veggente di Fatima, which was received with considerable  scepticism when it was first published in May. They also promised to produce  evidence to counter Dr. Paolini’s reports of his interviews with Archbishop  Loris Francesco Capovilla.

Dr. Paolini has said repeatedly – most recently at the Only Way to World  Peace conference in Brazil in August – that Archbishop Capovilla confirmed  that there are in fact two texts to the Third Secret of Fatima, only one of  which has been revealed by the Vatican. Archbishop Capovilla has never denied  having said this. So it was with the purpose of hearing anything further that  the Archbishop might have said that Socci and Paolini went to the press  conference.

Accompanied by Alessandro Fuligni, the Fatima Center’s representative in  Rome, Mr. Socci and Dr. Paolini were admitted to the hall where the conference  was to be held. However, when Mr. Socci was advised by Father Federico Lombardi,  Director of the Holy See Press Office, that he (Socci) would not be allowed to  ask questions or otherwise challenge the Cardinal, the two men left the building  hoping to see Cardinal Bertone when he arrived.

It was when the Cardinal arrived that the scandalous disturbance began. As  Bertone got out of his limousine at the front entrance to the conference hall,  he spotted Socci, who he knows well as the author of Il Quarto Segreto di  Fatima, the book which directly challenges the Vatican’s version of the  Third Secret.

On seeing Mr. Socci, the prelate turned on his heel and walked quickly to a  side door, accompanied by security guards who interposed themselves between the  Cardinal and Socci and Paolini. When Socci and Paolini tried to go back inside  the building, they were turned away by the guards.

All this was witnessed by several members of the Roman media, who knew of the  war of words between Bertone and Socci and had anticipated this confrontation.  These members of the Fourth Estate rushed to interview Mr. Socci, to find out  why the Cardinal had refused to speak even one word to him.

 

When they saw that Mr. Socci and Dr. Paolini had started to talk to the  press, the Vatican-hired security guards advanced on the two men and ordered  them off the university campus. When Socci objected, the guards seized him as  well as Paolini – the latter being rather a slight man – and pushed and shoved  them in the direction of the front gate.

During the melee, Dr. Paolini’s cell phone was seized by one of the thugs,  who told him that he was not allowed to record what was going on. In fact,  Paolini’s cell phone does not have a video recording function.

Meanwhile, Cardinal Bertone’s press conference went ahead as planned, with no  voices of dissent being heard from the hand-picked guests. Once again the  Vatican has succeeded in silencing those who wish to find out the truth – the  whole truth – about the Third Secret of Fatima.

The Vatican succeeded in silencing Sister Lucy, because she was under a vow  of obedience to her superiors. But they have not been able to silence Father  Nicholas Gruner – himself the victim of a physical attack at Fatima  in 1992 – and now  others like Mr. Socci and Dr. Paolini have stepped up to challenge those who  would mislead us or hide the facts from us. The truth will  out!

References:

"Who - between you and me - is Deliberately  Lying?" by Antonio Socci

"Bertone vs. Socci: Civil War Rages in Rome Over Third Secret of  Fatima"   by Christopher  A. Ferrara

"My Meetings with Archbishop Capovilla and the Socci-Cardinal  Bertone Struggle" by Solideo Paolini  

"The Explosive Testimony of Archbishop Capovilla: A Discussion  with Solideo Paolini" by John Vennari  

Declaration of Dr. Solideo Paolini (Sept. 18,  2007)

"Cardinal Bertone's Version of Third Secret  Refuted"  

"Antonio  Socci Refutes Cardinal Bertone's New Book on the Third  Secret"

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Sonoman
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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2007, 07:14:AM »

Considering some of our recent topics on this board, I suppose the gentlemen should count their lucky starts or thank their lucky guardian angels, that Vatican security wasn't issued tazers.

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Kal
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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2007, 04:42:PM »

Goodness what Nazi's.

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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2007, 05:03:PM »

I guess nobody likes to be called a liar.  Especially when they are a liar.
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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2007, 09:55:AM »

Grunerites--oy vey!

Was this reported by any "legitimate" press or are they also in the control of the "Vatican Goons?"

The late Holy Father JPII speaking ex cathedra (I believe that revealing the Third Secret WOULD be in the realm of "faith and morals") declared the Third Secret Revealed, which, I believe ALSO, Sister Lucy confirmed.  Grunerites say there's a conspiracy.

Is it true that Gruner really gets his money from the ill-gotten gain of mobsters, through their wives, who are widowed, or awaiting their return from prison?  Gruner strikes me as the "Rush Limbaugh of the Catholic Faith."

I've never heard of the "two text" dilemna, but it does smack of more Grunerite conspiracy theory.

I started to read the Socci article--and stopped--it's scandalous.  Let's not have the pot calling the kettle black.

Also, is there any report of the "false Third Secret" OUTSIDE the "Fatima Network?"

Curious minds want to know.

In reviewing my third paragraph, I realize that the Grunerites do INDEED seem to believe that the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church is defectable--in much the same way as the sedevacantists.

Fatima Network strikes me as the "Catholic Fox News," perhaps Bill O'Reilly, Ann Coulter, or Sean Hannity could find a second career with the Fatima Network, after their lives on Fox are through.

What was it St. Paul said of a "tinkling bell and a sounding brass?"  I fear, with my volume of words, I too, might be guilty.  Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa!
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« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2007, 05:09:PM »

Father Gruner has said more Tridentine masses than this Pope.  Nor has he espoused any heresy, as far as I know, whereas Fr. and Cardinal Ratzinger did.

That makes him more credible in my book.
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« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2007, 05:12:PM »

And what is wrong with being a "Grunerite"? Can you tell us what exactly is scandalous in the Socci article? And no one here is claiming there is a "false Third Secret", but that the Third Secret hasn't been fully revealed.

Perhaps you believe the Consecration of Russia has been already done, despite all evidence to the contrary.
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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2007, 11:03:PM »

Quote from: Catholicdad

The late Holy Father JPII speaking ex cathedra (I believe that revealing the Third Secret WOULD be in the realm of "faith and morals") declared the Third Secret Revealed, which, I believe ALSO, Sister Lucy confirmed.  Grunerites say there's a conspiracy.

What evidence is there that the late Holy Father WAS speaking ex cathedra regarding the Third Secret? Is it independently verifiable?
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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2007, 05:46:PM »

Quote from: HailGilbert
Quote from: Catholicdad

The late Holy Father JPII speaking ex cathedra (I believe that revealing the Third Secret WOULD be in the realm of "faith and morals") declared the Third Secret Revealed, which, I believe ALSO, Sister Lucy confirmed.  Grunerites say there's a conspiracy.

What evidence is there that the late Holy Father WAS speaking ex cathedra regarding the Third Secret? Is it independently verifiable?

None whatsoever because he wasn't.  The poster appears to just be making stuff up as he goes along.  How would we miss the Pope making the statement that he is speaking ex cathedra. Just how daft does he this his fellow posters are?

If this poster's judgment is that Gruner is wrong, it only makes me more convinced that Gruner is right because in my 25 years of direct experience Fr. Gruner is believed by people who know some background and believe in Fatima.  And not believed by those who have a shallow understanding or none at all.  It is a clear as day that the Vatican have covered something up here.

According to the teaching of the First Vatican Council and Catholic  tradition, the conditions required for ex cathedra teaching are as  follows:

1. "the Roman Pontiff"  
2. "speaks ex cathedra" ("that is, when in the discharge of his office as  shepherd and teacher of all Christians, and by virtue of his supreme apostolic  authority….")  
3. "he defines"  
4. "that a doctrine concerning faith or morals"  
5. "must be held by the whole Church" (Pastor Aeternus, chap. 4)

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« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2007, 06:46:PM »

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