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WhollyRoaminCatholic
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« Reply #80 on: August 15, 2010, 03:55:PM »

How's Kansas City?

Kansas City has a lot of options for a trad family.

FSSP: http://www.kclatinmass.com/
ICRSS: http://www.institute-christ-king.org/kansascity/
SSPX: http://sspx.org/Chapels_Pages/kansas_city_mo.htm
Diocesan: http://www.saintjamesonline.com/

Near Kansas City:
CMRI (Topeka): http://www.cmri.org/location2.htm#KANSAS
Pope Michael (Delia): http://www.vaticaninexile.com/
And several Society and Diocesan options in South-Central Missouri (BYOBanjo)
Not to mention that Maple Hill KS and St. Mary KS are 1.5 hours West of KC.

St. Vincent de Paul (SSPX) has a reputable school, and there is an accredited, independent trad school that operates in the good graces of the Archdiocese of KCK (http://www.padrepioacademy.org/).

Of course, it's like everywhere else-- most of the world is secular and most of the Church is NO.  You have to stake your own claim.
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« Reply #81 on: August 15, 2010, 04:46:PM »

How's Kansas City?

Kansas City has a lot of options for a trad family.

FSSP: http://www.kclatinmass.com/
ICRSS: http://www.institute-christ-king.org/kansascity/
SSPX: http://sspx.org/Chapels_Pages/kansas_city_mo.htm
Diocesan: http://www.saintjamesonline.com/

Near Kansas City:
CMRI (Topeka): http://www.cmri.org/location2.htm#KANSAS
Pope Michael (Delia): http://www.vaticaninexile.com/
And several Society and Diocesan options in South-Central Missouri (BYOBanjo)
Not to mention that Maple Hill KS and St. Mary KS are 1.5 hours West of KC.

St. Vincent de Paul (SSPX) has a reputable school, and there is an accredited, independent trad school that operates in the good graces of the Archdiocese of KCK (http://www.padrepioacademy.org/).

Of course, it's like everywhere else-- most of the world is secular and most of the Church is NO.  You have to stake your own claim.

How's the city otherwise? Boring? Not? Weather mostly bad or bad and good? Education k-12 and universities nearby any good?

And most importantly to me, how's the BBQ?
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« Reply #82 on: August 15, 2010, 05:02:PM »

How's Kansas City?

Kansas City has a lot of options for a trad family.

FSSP: http://www.kclatinmass.com/
ICRSS: http://www.institute-christ-king.org/kansascity/
SSPX: http://sspx.org/Chapels_Pages/kansas_city_mo.htm
Diocesan: http://www.saintjamesonline.com/

Near Kansas City:
CMRI (Topeka): http://www.cmri.org/location2.htm#KANSAS
Pope Michael (Delia): http://www.vaticaninexile.com/
And several Society and Diocesan options in South-Central Missouri (BYOBanjo)
Not to mention that Maple Hill KS and St. Mary KS are 1.5 hours West of KC.

St. Vincent de Paul (SSPX) has a reputable school, and there is an accredited, independent trad school that operates in the good graces of the Archdiocese of KCK (http://www.padrepioacademy.org/).

Of course, it's like everywhere else-- most of the world is secular and most of the Church is NO.  You have to stake your own claim.

How's the city otherwise? Boring? Not? Weather mostly bad or bad and good? Education k-12 and universities nearby any good?

And most importantly to me, how's the BBQ?

Boring...not really.  There are professional sports teams to root for, several quality museums, outdoor theater and festivals, plenty of lovely parks, and the Plaza at Christamas. 

Weather...typically midwestern.  You will experience all four seasons, to be sure.  Summers can get bad because of the humidity, but there are only a couple of months that can be really uncomfortable.  Just go to the pool...  Don't have to worry about tornados unless you live in a trailer park. 

Schools...KCMO public schools are nortoriously bad.  Stay away if you can.  If you decide to go do public schools, try living in Johnson County so that you can be in either the Shawnee Mission or Blue Valley school districts.  They are top quality school districts.  (maybe I'm biased since I graduated from Shawnee Mission South...but seriously, they are ranked as some of the best)  St. Vincent's is a fine school, I'm sure, but I don't think it is accredited.  Something to consider if you care if your kids have an education beyond the SSPX.  As for universities, UMKC has a top notch med school and business school.  It will give you a fine post-secondary education in other subjects, but that is what it is known for.  It also has a partnership with Kansas so that if you live across the border you can still get in-state tuitition.

BBQ...I'm a fan of Gates, but some prefer Bryants or Jack Stack.  All are good, but all are different.  Those are the big three, but there are loads of smaller independent BBQ joints around too.  Guy Fieri did a special on them recently. 

Cheers,

Amanda
A KC girl, stuck in CA, wishing she was home.
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« Reply #83 on: August 15, 2010, 09:33:PM »

Like amasimp said, k-12 is good outside of the KCMO district.  The Kansas side of the state line is the best part of the suburbs with the best school districts, but there are a number of good public schools in MO outside of the KCMO district.  If you're willing to NO, the Catholic schools are more affordable here too-- and are "safer" than most of the bad-Catholic schools I hear about.

KC does not have as many city universities as you would expect for a city its size.  But what we have is good.  The University of Missouri Kansas City is the biggest University in town.  Rockhurst University is a typical Jesuit college; Avila University is a might-as-well-be-secular Catholic college in town, too.  There are a few protty schools here and there.  The much-heralded University of Kansas is 30-minutes west of town and is practically a part of the exurbs. 

Two bad major league sports franchises, though hope springs eternal. 

KC is a pretty town-- more boulevards than Paris; more fountains than Rome.  We are a BIG park town with major parks in the city.  Also good biking trails and more wide open spaces than you can shake a stick at.  Arts scene is happily midwestern-- great symphony, fair ballet, mediocre-but-emerging galleries.

The BBQ is the best ever.  amasimp mentioned the "big three", but everyone has their favorite BBQ restaurant-- and every neighborhood seems to have one or two of their own.

Iuvenalis-- here's the thing to make up your mind:
Go to http://www.reeceandnichols.com/.  Enter a zip code (you can use mine if you like, 66216) and in the "maximum price" field, enter how much your current home is worth.  Then mark it down by $100,000 and enter it in the minimum field.  Then go house shopping and see what California prices buys in a Kansas City market.  Smile
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« Reply #84 on: August 24, 2010, 11:56:PM »

Hello,

I was wondering, why you mentioned, Do Not move to Maine? Could you please elaborate.
If you have any information on Maine & or New Hampshire, could you share it with us.
Thank you, Peace!  Smile


Wausau, WI.. which is where we are moving if and when we sell our house.

http://www.institute-christ-king.org/ and you'll see all the places they're at--most with established parishes and parish life, and there's more starting up that aren't there yet! Milwaukee is soon to be added.  Here is St. Mary's in Wausau's latest bulletin:
http://www.institute-christ-king.org/resources/20thPent-Wsa.pdf
this is just their Calendar of Events

10/14/07 - 20th Sunday after Pentecost
- Low Mass with Organ at 8:00 am
- High Mass at 9:30 am
- High Mass at 3:00 pm in Cashton

10/15/07 - Monday Mass at 8:00 am
- Gregorian Class at 6:30 pm

10/16/07 - French Class at 6:30 pm

10/17/07 - Theology Class at 6:30 pm
- Choir Practice at 7:30 pm

10/18/07 - Catechism Class from 10:00 am to 11:50 am
- Altar and Rosary Society Meeting

10/21/07 - 21st Sunday after Pentecost
- Low Mass with Organ at 8:00 am
- High Mass at 9:30 am
- High Mass at 3:00 pm in Cashton

10/27/07 - Pilgrimage at Robinsonville

10/28/07 - Feast of Christ the King

11/01/07 - All Saints Day, 8, 9:30 am & 6:00 pm Masses
Holy Day of Obligation

11/02/07 - All souls day, Low Mass at 8:00 am, High
Mass at 6:00 pm followed by Absolution in favor of all the souls of Purgatory

PS: DON'T MOVE TO MAINE! Smile

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« Reply #85 on: August 25, 2010, 12:09:AM »

Iuvenalis-- here's the thing to make up your mind:
Go to http://www.reeceandnichols.com/.  Enter a zip code (you can use mine if you like, 66216) and in the "maximum price" field, enter how much your current home is worth.  Then mark it down by $100,000 and enter it in the minimum field.  Then go house shopping and see what California prices buys in a Kansas City market.  Smile

My experience with the midwest (I lived in MN) is, yes, houses are cheap, but wages are at least commensurately lower. It seems to end up being a wash financially.

Crime is better (good), usually less stuff to do (bad). Weather sucks (bad), you can know your neighbors (good and bad)
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"Tolerance is the last virtue of a depraved society When an immoral society has blatantly and proudly violated all the commandments, it insists upon one last virtue, tolerance for its immorality. It will not tolerate condemnation of its perversions. It creates a whole new world in which only the intolerant critic of intolerable evil is evil." -H. Gibson

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« Reply #86 on: August 25, 2010, 05:34:PM »

Can't believe no one's mentioned eastern Nebraska.  Yes, I am a bit biased, but Lincoln is one of the most conservative dioceses in the country, and Bishop Bruskewicz is phenomenal.  Omaha has a thriving Catholic community as well, with several Catholic homeschooling groups and many TLMs to choose from.
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DeoGratias72
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« Reply #87 on: August 27, 2010, 10:04:PM »

Hello!


Thank you for your post!

Please elaborate more on the town, the Catholic community. The more details the better! ;D

Does the Church do anything after Mass, so the children & parents can mingle with each other (like coffee & donuts) ?
Please tell me more about homeschooling there & the families involved with it.

Also, I have read that some parishes around the country have the Priest teaching the children LATIN & or Greek . Is this
available in Omaha or Lincoln?

Also, what about safety, what is the crime situation in both places, which place is safer?

I know that this is the midwest, but which one of these has at least some hills? Or, are they both flat?

What is the summer like, temperature wise, what is the range for both places.?

Thank you for any input you can give me.

Take care,
Peace,

DeoGratias72 Smile




Can't believe no one's mentioned eastern Nebraska.  Yes, I am a bit biased, but Lincoln is one of the most conservative dioceses in the country, and Bishop Bruskewicz is phenomenal.  Omaha has a thriving Catholic community as well, with several Catholic homeschooling groups and many TLMs to choose from.
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« Reply #88 on: August 28, 2010, 05:47:PM »

K.C. is suburbia. It is the poster-child of suburbia. People love it. I found it one-dimensional, because it is suburbia, but the options for Traditional Catholics are, indeed, many.

K/C has more paved roads then anywhere in North America. Is this a good thing?.......

Maple Hill and Denton would be my preference. Wausau, WI would also be nice. I hear Fr. Relyea has permission to build a Traditional Fransican community in the Diocese of Madision. That'd be an amazing option.

You can get farms cheap within 45 minutes of K.C. You'd have a bit of a commute, but you'd also avoid suburbia, it's temptations and detractions... Unless you prefer all that. "To each, his own"...


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« Reply #89 on: August 29, 2010, 11:28:AM »

Hello!

Thank you for your post!

Please elaborate more on the town, the Catholic community. The more details the better! ;D
Does the Church do anything after Mass, so the children & parents can mingle with each other (like coffee & donuts) ?
Please tell me more about homeschooling there & the families involved with it.
Also, I have read that some parishes around the country have the Priest teaching the children LATIN & or Greek . Is this
available in Omaha or Lincoln?
Also, what about safety, what is the crime situation in both places, which place is safer?
I know that this is the midwest, but which one of these has at least some hills? Or, are they both flat?
What is the summer like, temperature wise, what is the range for both places.?
Thank you for any input you can give me.
Take care,
Peace,
DeoGratias72 Smile

As far as the town is concerned, I really like Omaha.  It's true there's not much of a "night life", though the Old Market downtown has some really nice restaurants and shops.  Our zoo is one of the best in the country, and we've got a few nice museums.  Kansas City is only a 3 hour drive, so if you need the "big" city life, it's not too far away.  We do have crime in a few bad areas in Omaha, but as long as you find the neighborhoods to avoid, you'll be fine.  Lincoln is probably safer, but it's also a college town, so hard to say either way.

Omaha's only an hour away from Lincoln, so they're basically the same when regards to climate and "flatness".  Yes, it's pretty flat out here, but Denver is only 7-8 hours away.  We do have some pretty hot summers and cold winters, but it's nice to have 4 seasons.  Last winter was one of our worst with the piles of snow we had, but it could have been a lot worse.  The springs and autumns here are really nice, and almost make up for August and January.

As for the Latin Mass community in Omaha, we have our own FSSP parish with 3 Sunday Masses and at least 1-2 daily Masses.  There is also a CMRI parish, if that's your thing (my wife's uncle goes there).  We have coffee and donuts one-two times a month, and pancake breakfasts about once every 3 months.  We also have several other get-togethers in our gymnasium (welcoming new priests/seminarians, All Saints Day Party for the kids, new parishioner parties, etc.).  We've also got our own bowling alley, which I think makes us the only TLM parish in the country to have one.  Smile

I find our TLM community to be very inviting and friendly to newcomers, especially compared to some other TLM parishes I have been to.  Our parish has a homeschooling mother's group, a KofC council, a Cub Scout pack, an Altar Society, Legion of Mary, a youth group, and a few other groups that get together frequently.  As far as I know, every family at our parish homeschools even though our parish belongs to a diocesan school with a few other parishes.  There is a Catholic Homeschool Association of Omaha (CHAO) which has a nice website you might want to look at if you're interested.

As of right now, our priests aren't teaching Latin or Greek, but I know our assistant pastor is considering starting a class in the future (not sure if or when this will happen).  I'd love to take part in that myself.

One great thing about being here is the FSSP Seminary is in Lincoln, making it an easy trip to attend ordinations (though, I'll warn you, the cathedral in Lincoln is hideous).  If you attend the Novus Ordo, Lincoln is one of the best dioceses in the country with Bishop Bruskewicz (no altar girls, etc.).  Omaha's not bad either, though some of our churches are more liberal than others.

I know this is probably too much info, but I hope this helps in your decision making.  Let me know if you've got any other questions!
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