Where have all the Cowboys Gone?

[SweetPea]

I have no interest in hearing my wife talk about intellectual things, I just want her to be well-informed enough not to do something stupid while I'm not around.

Who is asking for pedantic debate? These terms mean different things to different people. I'm asking you what you mean before I assume the worst. But since you wrote the above I can see that I was very likely giving you far too much credit.

Just out of curiosity though ... Who is going to keep you from doing something stupid when she's not around?

Sounds like you need to read Proverbs 31 about what a good wife is. You'll find that the Bible certainly doesn't promote the idea that women should be mindless automatons simply doing whatever their husbands demand without questions.

If that is what you're looking for I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that you'll be looking for a very very long time.

I'm surprised there haven't been more feminists replying with undertones of the modernist concept about equality between men and women. Just to clear that one up before it starts, men and women are not equal. In order for two things to be equal they have to be the same. Difference denotes inequality. No, I won't define submissive for you.  Stop asking.  I won't debate with a woman any further.

Line up ladies!  He's available!  (Unless barbie gets him first...)

[Richeldis]

I have no interest in hearing my wife talk about intellectual things, I just want her to be well-informed enough not to do something stupid while I'm not around.

Who is asking for pedantic debate? These terms mean different things to different people. I'm asking you what you mean before I assume the worst. But since you wrote the above I can see that I was very likely giving you far too much credit.

Just out of curiosity though ... Who is going to keep you from doing something stupid when she's not around?

Sounds like you need to read Proverbs 31 about what a good wife is. You'll find that the Bible certainly doesn't promote the idea that women should be mindless automatons simply doing whatever their husbands demand without questions.

If that is what you're looking for I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that you'll be looking for a very very long time.

I'm surprised there haven't been more feminists replying with undertones of the modernist concept about equality between men and women. Just to clear that one up before it starts, men and women are not equal. In order for two things to be equal they have to be the same. Difference denotes inequality. No, I won't define submissive for you.  Stop asking.  I won't debate with a woman any further.

Line up ladies!  He's available!  (Unless barbie gets him first...)

Gotta stop crying with laughter, oh dear me...*wipes eyes*...really, I didn't know they made blokes like that any more...

[CaroleK]

Gotta stop crying with laughter, oh dear me...*wipes eyes*...really, I didn't know they made blokes like that any more...

Makes me sorry I didn't wait another 14 years ... I could have had him instead of my husband.  If only I'd known ... :D

[Richeldis]

 
Makes me sorry I didn't wait another 14 years ... I could have had him instead of my husband.  If only I'd known ... :D

  

[Archbishop_10K]

I won't debate with a woman any further.

I assume you're willing to debate with a man, then? Alright:

In order for two things to be equal they have to be the same. Difference denotes inequality.

No, "same" and "equal" are two different concepts. A thing that is equal doesn't have to be the same substance; it can be the same merely in value, quantity, or prestige. This is a basic economic principle. Four quarters is equal to a dollar bill, but they're not the same. You can trade x amount of barrels of oil for x amount of steel or gold, and they're equal in value, but different in purpose.

If men and women are not equal, as you say, then you would be able to quantify it economically. Are you saying that one man is worth more than one woman, or that one woman is worth more than one man? This is what the Chinese and Indians do when they abort female children in favor of male ones: to them, the males are worth more.

But what saith the Scripture?

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:28.

This is a divinely inspired text which affirms that men and women are equal in dignity before the eyes of God, and that's what matters. A husband should lead, yes. But the Christian husband leads in a consecrated act of service to his wife and family, just as Christ washed the feet of the Apostles, and the Pope is called Servant of the Servants of God. In my opinion, a good husband should glorify his wife like they did when they dated each other before marriage. It seems like a select few traditional Catholic men expect their wives to be little more than babysitters and sperm receptacles. And with even the good, virtuous traditional Catholic men out there, it's a little disappointing to hear about their never taking their wives out on dates anymore.

  I have no interest in hearing my wife talk about intellectual things, I just want her to be well-informed enough not to do something stupid while I'm not around.

What would you want her to talk about, then?

even if she were an intellectual, i'd rather her keep it in her head.

Proverbs 31:26, "She hath opened her mouth to wisdom, and the law of clemency is on her tongue."
 

[donumabdeo]

The fact that we're all one in Christ Jesus thereby making us co-heirs and sharers in the divine nature does not detract from the fact that there is inequality between the nature of man and woman.

I'm just saying that generally I'd rather hear about my wife's joys and needs rather than intellectual concepts.

Seriously, man, grow a pair.

[miss_fluffy]

Seriously, man, grow a pair.

How incredibly rude.  If you can't control your mouth, how would you expect to impress a woman who can?

[Spooky7272]

I just want her to be well-informed enough not to do something stupid while I'm not around.

So.... you want a girl stupid enough to marry you but not so stupid  she won't burn the house down or run into on coming traffic... Good luck with that.

[Archbishop_10K]

The fact that we're all one in Christ Jesus thereby making us co-heirs and sharers in the divine nature does not detract from the fact that there is inequality between the nature of man and woman.

No one is saying that men and women aren't different in nature. "Equal" is not the opposite of "different"; the opposite of different is "same". The opposite of "equal" is either "greater than" or "less than", as in mathematics.

If men and women are unequal, then one must be greater or less than the other.

Seriously, man, grow a pair.

Eh? I don't know what that was for. I have plenty of problems, but as a military serviceman, I can guarantee you this isn't one of them.

[Catholicmilkman]

The idea of human dignity has its origin in the work of the modernist philosopher Immanuel Kant.  Kant's lies have crept into Vatican II and likewise the new CCC.  Adherence to the principle of human dignity is the abandonment of tradition.

Dignity simply means worth or value. Are you saying that humans have no value or worth? God disagrees with you seeing as He made us in His Own Image which certainly has dignity, infinite dignity.