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Author Topic: Where have all the Cowboys Gone?  (Read 114461 times)
donumabdeo
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« Reply #150 on: November 21, 2007, 11:12:AM »

Quote from: Catholicmilkman
Donum, you can't believe this, can you? Both men and women have souls the human soul has no parts, that is, it is spiritual so how can they be inequal? Honestly I think you need to stop right here and go to your traditional priest or another priest and get your head examined immediately, your ideas are far from Catholic  and natural orthodoxy. Haven't you ever heard St. Paul's words "there is neither..male or female"?

No milk, I can't.  If the soul determines the appearance of the body and the souls of man and woman are identical, then why do they appear differently?  The souls of man and woman are not identical, they are unequal in goodness.
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Catholicmilkman
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« Reply #151 on: November 21, 2007, 11:30:AM »

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No milk, I can't.  If the soul determines the appearance of the body and the souls of man and woman are identical, then why do they appear differently?  The souls of man and woman are not identical, they are unequal in goodness.
That, sir, is heresy. Read St. Thomas Aquinas. The soul has no shape because it is spiritual and contains no matter. All souls have no parts, no shape. If you cut your hand off your soul does not change. All human beings are equal in the good of their nature. All have the same value before God by their nature.
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donumabdeo
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« Reply #152 on: November 21, 2007, 02:09:PM »

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Quote from: donumabdeo
No milk, I can't.  If the soul determines the appearance of the body and the souls of man and woman are identical, then why do they appear differently?  The souls of man and woman are not identical, they are unequal in goodness.
That, sir, is heresy. Read St. Thomas Aquinas. The soul has no shape because it is spiritual and contains no matter. All souls have no parts, no shape. If you cut your hand off your soul does not change. All human beings are equal in the good of their nature. All have the same value before God by their nature.


You must be confused.  I never said that souls have shape.  Let me rephrase what I said.  The soul determines the shape of the body.  The bodies of man and woman are of different shapes.  Therefore, the souls of man and woman are different.  Hence they are unequal in goodness.
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miss_fluffy
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« Reply #153 on: November 21, 2007, 02:16:PM »

There's logic for ya.... 

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Believe nothing just because a so-called wise person said it. Believe nothing just because a belief is generally held. Believe nothing just because it is said in ancient books. Believe nothing just because it is said to be of divine origin. Believe nothing just because someone else believes it. Believe only what you yourself test and judge to be true.– Buddha

Note: According to this precept, I find that Buddhism is NOT true.  I have tested and judged many things, and the only Truth I have found is in God's One True Church: The Catholic Church.

Dear Lord, I know I can live by Your Holy Will every moment of my life, because You have given me faith that Your Grace will enable me to.
TradCatholicGal
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« Reply #154 on: November 21, 2007, 06:33:PM »

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TheTalentedMisterReid
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« Reply #155 on: November 21, 2007, 08:02:PM »

Quote from: donumabdeo

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No milk, I can't.  If the soul determines the appearance of the body and the souls of man and woman are identical, then why do they appear differently?  The souls of man and woman are not identical, they are unequal in goodness.
That, sir, is heresy. Read St. Thomas Aquinas. The soul has no shape because it is spiritual and contains no matter. All souls have no parts, no shape. If you cut your hand off your soul does not change. All human beings are equal in the good of their nature. All have the same value before God by their nature.


You must be confused.  I never said that souls have shape.  Let me rephrase what I said.  The soul determines the shape of the body.  The bodies of man and woman are of different shapes.  Therefore, the souls of man and woman are different.  Hence they are unequal in goodness.

A lesson in semantics for you.  Identity implies equality, but equality does not imply identity.  For example, let's suppose my right hand and left hand weigh the same, which they probably do.  They are of equal weight, but they are obviously not identical.  Men and women can be of equal value without being identical.  Your argument "not identical therefore not equal" utilizes a fatal misuse of terms.
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Ancilla_Indigna
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« Reply #156 on: November 21, 2007, 08:28:PM »

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donumabdeo, I sincerely wish you the best of luck. Perhaps your personality and temperament would make you best suited to a largely subservient, passive and silent wife. If that's the case, and if marriage is your vocation, then I hope and pray that you find such a wife and that the two of you live happily together and have many children.  Quite frankly, not all men are the same - some are very assertive and independent, whilst others are more passive and dependent.

As for me, I'm not particularly assertive, so while I appreciate the leadership role of the husband, I'm more likely than not to rely on the advice and encouragement of my wife to help me fulfill that role. In that sense, I hope that my future wife (if God wills it) will have an intellect and be prepared to use it in the support of her husband and the raising and education of our children.



There are some women that are submissive until they are married, and vice versa.


I find it strange, though, that someone would prefer someone who was not very intelligent, as if the lack of intelligence somehow often precluded submissiveness.  That is false, big time!   The Blessed Mother was/is very intelligent, recollected and constantly pondering the greatest mysteries, which she herself took part in first-hand.  Virtue is not sustained without prayer, and prayer is not sustained without at some point engaging the intellect.  Even with contemplative prayer, where the intellect is not simultaneously engaged, it brings with it a fruit of recollection which engages the intellect.  All and any truly good acts of grace must be preceded by prayer.  

This isn't to draw a correlation between intelligence and prayer life, but rather the necessity for an active engagement of one's intellect in order to pray and to act in pleasing God.  I am making this point because it would be wrong to seek someone who willfully chooses to not regard with gravity himself or herself in relation to God.  Spiritual sloth is always a vice manifested by someone who uses simply his or her mind to consider only the things of this world.  

If someone can be attracted to such a primarily worldly-minded person (I would think) they would have to be quite spiritual immature.  If we are looking at marriage in the context of pleasing first God, then those who are called to marriage would wish to find that mentality in their prospective spouse --- a willingness to first please God, and doing good to/for the spouse in order to achieve the first goal --- (which is to please God).

***Edited for clarity:  "can be" substituted for "is always a vice"***

**Further edited for slight levity: Talented writes:
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Your argument "not identical therefore not equal" utilizes a fatal misuse of terms.


What is that? Is that like:  "I'm sorry, due to a semantical error on your part, I must issue corporal punishment."  Chainsaw

"He was a good man.  Too bad he suffered from a semantical disorder(a.k.a. "a fatal misuse of terms")."
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TheTalentedMisterReid
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« Reply #157 on: November 21, 2007, 10:16:PM »

Quote from: Ancilla_Indigna
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Your argument "not identical therefore not equal" utilizes a fatal misuse of terms.

What is that? Is that like:  "I'm sorry, due to a semantical error on your part, I must issue corporal punishment."  Chainsaw

"He was a good man.  Too bad he suffered from a semantical disorder(a.k.a. "a fatal misuse of terms")."

Alright...
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CaroleK
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« Reply #158 on: November 22, 2007, 09:54:AM »

Quote from: TradCatholicGal
Your reason astounds me, sir.

Shouldn't that sentence read:

Your lack of reason astounds me, sir.
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heliotropes4
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« Reply #159 on: November 22, 2007, 10:15:AM »

Quote from: TheTalentedMisterReid
Quote from: Ancilla_Indigna
**Further edited for slight levity: Talented writes:
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Your argument "not identical therefore not equal" utilizes a fatal misuse of terms.

What is that? Is that like:  "I'm sorry, due to a semantical error on your part, I must issue corporal punishment."  Chainsaw

"He was a good man.  Too bad he suffered from a semantical disorder(a.k.a. "a fatal misuse of terms")."

Alright...

Fatal to his argument. Smile

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