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ServantofGuadalupe
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« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2007, 11:35:AM »

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Hello Walty,

I have heard of this place http://www.christendom.edu/. But I don't know whether it is academically sound, seems very orthodox though.

cC
Very sound, and accredited. No reason to doubt there scholastics. There is also TAC, but I do not think that either of these colleges contain what you desire.... Well, it can get you to your Masters. There is Ave Maria in Florida. They are worth checking out. Steubenville can be excellent if you get the right instructors.... Hahn, Miriavalli etc....
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« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2007, 09:53:PM »

If you choose Steubenville, there's a Latin mass within walking/biking distance from the campus at St. Peters Church.
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« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2007, 10:01:PM »

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Hello Walty,

I have heard of this place http://www.christendom.edu/. But I don't know whether it is academically sound, seems very orthodox though.

cC
Very sound, and accredited. No reason to doubt there scholastics. There is also TAC, but I do not think that either of these colleges contain what you desire.... Well, it can get you to your Masters. There is Ave Maria in Florida. They are worth checking out. Steubenville can be excellent if you get the right instructors.... Hahn, Miriavalli etc....

TAC doesn't have a graduate school.  All he could get there is a second bachelor's degree.
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« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2007, 02:56:AM »

my bad.....
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« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2007, 02:21:PM »

Problem with Ave Maria, from what I've heard, is that when they moved to FL, they lost their accredidation.  I don't know if that's an issue for graduate programs or not.

FUS also has the benefit of a distnace-learning program for an MA in Theology, if you are so inclined.  Only program like that I've heard of from a school even close to orthodox. (And either way, who said you had to attend their Masses?  Not a requirement.)

And if you were planing on using any kind of government aid (Stafford loans, etc.) for Christiandom, forget it.  What killed my applying there for my undergraduate is that they do not accept any kind of government aid.  :(

2 of my theology profs here came from Dusquane {sp?} and they're orthodox, but I do not know if that is because of or in spite of their schooling.

[/2 cents from someone who did look into it for herself.]
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« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2007, 09:14:PM »

Yeah... Im starting to get the feeling that I just need to go to the best school possible and just do as I've been doing... go through the motions and just ignore the heterodoxy.  Its ridiculous that I have to pay so much money to forget everything my professors tell me.  Its all for a piece of paper.  I do the learning on my own. 


Having gone to a 'Catholic' school for my freshman year of my undergrand and then transferring to a public school I can tell you that the public school is often times much less frusterating.  I completely disagree with my professors, but at least they aren't calling themselves Catholic, or worse yet, ordained priests.

Uggh....  How can there not be one good university here?  Rome needs to help us orthodox students over here.

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« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2007, 08:29:PM »

Learn Latin and study over there?  :p  If I ever go for the MA in Theology, my plan is that FUS distance-program I mentioned earlier.  Only 6 hours need to be taken ON the campus, and I figure I can survive that.
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« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2007, 08:41:PM »

Distance learning is hard.  Im doing distance learning for Latin with a professor from UWisconsin... its really much more difficult than having an actual class.

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« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2007, 09:47:PM »

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I have no direct experience of it, but I hear Ave Maria U. is pretty trad.

Maybe not so much
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Liturgical Meltdown             Ahead?

                                                        Diocese of Venice, take note -              
               
               AveWatch readers will recall                    that the first chairperson of Ave Maria                    University's Department of Sacred Music resigned                    last year due, in large part, to ongoing                    interference by lawyer-President Nick Healy in                    the department's liturgical music. Despite its                    short life and frequent claims to being                    "authentically" or "unabashedly" Catholic, AMU                    already has a history of intolerance for certain                    traditionalist forms and practices, and has                    acted in ways that appear to misappropriate                    liturgical decisions to be made by priests or                    the local bishop to, instead, lay university                    administrators (see series here).              
               
               AveWatch recently received unconfirmed, but reliable,               reports that the new head of AMU's music department               is now "subject to being fired for               insubordination for having ignored Nick Healy's               directive that sacred music in Latin is only to be               sung at the 8AM Sunday Mass, and is not to be sung at               any other Sunday Masses. In other words, Healy has               threatened the head of the Catholic university's               sacred music department with termination for having               Latin sacred music at too many Masses."              
               
               Undoubtedly, this would be quite a shock to AMU's               prospective donors, all of whom are regularly treated               to fundraising letters that tout how traditional,               conservative, and "authentic" Ave Maria's Catholicism               is.              
               
               Sources have explained the behavior of AMU's               lawyer-President this way - "... it certainly               fits in perfectly with Healy's ongoing and obsessive               war against "traditional" Catholic music and liturgy,               a war which seems to have three "generals", Healy,               his wife Jane, and their imported "healing" priest               Fr. McAlear". Multiple sources at AMU report               that there have been ongoing battles between students               and staff over Communion rail kneelers in the               temporary campus chapel - students bring them in,               staff take them out. Finally, AW is told, the               kneelers were moved by staff to an undisclosed               location because "Healy is adamant that the               kneeling tradition at AMU is to be broken".              
               
               Last month, Roger McCaffery, a former AMU employee               and founder of Roman Catholic Books, granted a                    blog interview. When asked about                    Ave Maria, McCaffery pulled no punches (excerpt)                    -              
               
               "Its [AMU's] leaders began treating the campus               Masses as a marketing device. Now they plan to               “mainstream” the university.               They’re banning the Old Latin Mass. Over a               hundred students have asked for it. The chaplain and               the president are said to be carefully examining and               discussing the request, as if dealing with a               radioactive moon rock. They regulate the               “ordinary form” in Latin too. They cut               that back, moved it from 10am to 8am on Sundays so               most students don’t go. How can Catholics who               talk about tradition all the time mistreat those who               love their tradition? Simple: they have re-written               what “tradition” means. You can then               imagine how Pope Benedict’s emphatic               restoration of the Old Mass in July was               received."              
               
               The use of Mass as a marketing device is confirmed by               AMU's recent heavy use of campus priests to author,               send, and receive fundraising letters coupled with               mass requests. Readers have complained to AveWatch               that Ave Maria's flippant use of 11 sacred               traditional direct references to the Blessed                    Virgin Mary (i.e. "Our Lady of Good Counsel",                    "Our Lady of Perpetual Help") to name levels of                    cash gifts is both tacky and disrespectful.              
               
               McCaffery goes on to nail the lay administration of               Nick Healy over matters liturgical and diocesan               (excerpt):              
               
               "Healy has even cut his [Fr. Fessio's] weekday               Latin Masses in the “ordinary form” from               three to two. In my opinion Fessio should ignore that               dictate, say Mass exactly as is his priestly               prerogative, challenge the chaplain [who is] from               [the Diocese of] Rockford and the Pizza magnate---and               take the case directly to the Vatican if necessary,               sooner the better. There is a huge principle at               stake. The University has no right whatsoever to               restrict his public Latin Masses in whatever Missal               the Church permits. Nor does it even have the right               to spurn student wishes about Latin liturgy. None               whatsoever. The chaplain is not even from the               diocese! The university is run by laymen! So, this is               a test case. Fessio personifies, and always has at               AMU, an issue much bigger than he. It is a liturgical               issue directly involving Church authorities when a               chaplain who draws a paycheck from a lay board               restricts another priest or when a layman attempts to               dictate policy about Mass. A university, or for that               matter an old folks home, which restricts, in any               way, celebration of the new or old form in the sacred               language of the Church, must be corrected."              
               
               Will the Bishop of Venice rein in the               misappropriation of laymen like Healy and Monaghan?               Monaghan's giant oratory, in the center of his real               estate development, may be a factor in this, given               that the Bishop has yet to approve the structure for               mass. Healy hasn't delivered on accreditation, and               Monaghan hasn't delivered on the centerpiece of his               development, the oratory. A recent issue of Conde               Nast said "... James Daly, just bought a $337,000               home, which he and his wife intend to use for               vacations, on Ave Maria Boulevard, near the oratory.               'We're Catholics, we're serious about our faith, and               we like the idea of the church being there..' "               Well, Mr. Daly, it isn't a "church" until the Bishop               says it is... and that has yet to happen. Monaghan will have                    his hands full between townspeople and sales                    partners (Pulte, Baron Collier) if the oratory                    isn't "delivering" on mass soon.              
               
               How ironic it is that the two most fundamental               aspects of Monaghan and Healy's projects -               accreditation and Magisterial approval - have flopped               to date.
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« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2007, 03:27:AM »

     I would suggest that you discuss this with Dr. John Rao.    I  am sure you can reach him and his Roman Forum on google.  (He was a friend of my hero Dr. William Marra R.I P.  a truly great philosopher.)
     I faced the same problem about where to do a doctorate in philosophy in 1971.  My MA at the University of Ottawa (Canada) was pretty decent.  But in theology even then it was going wild.  I understand it is way gone now.
      So I learned Spanish and went to the University of Navarra, Pamplona Spain.  It is orthodox in theology and decent in philosophy.
       I would hesitate to do graduate work in a newly formed college.  They might be ok for the first degree but you need more tradition for graduate school.  Of course you need not do your masters at the same place as the doctorate.  I did not.
       I have read all the posts.  Of those mentioned in the USA  I would look long at the University of Dallas and Duquesne University.  I do not think St. Bonaventure University gives doctorates.  They once had an interesting MA in Franciscan studies.
       But I am retired and out of the current scene.  Dr. Rao would give good advice. 
        Good luck theology is even trickier than philosophy.
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