The Triumph of the Immaculate Heart by 2017?

[Gabriel]

I offer this in response to a question in another thread, but the nature of the issue is such that I felt it deserved a New Topic status in this sub-forum on Catholic History.

We all believe that the Mother of God truly appeared at Fatima in 1917 and promised, "In the end my Immaculate Heart will triumph." I dare say there are few posters on the Fish Eaters Website who do not take great comfort from that prophesy.

But can we predict with a reasonable degree of certainty when that triumph will occur? I am of the opinion that we can, by carefully correlating the events at Fatima with other significant and approved apparitions. Following is perhaps the most significant for this purpose. It will be found familiar to most:

On October 13, 1884, Pope Leo XIII had just finished Mass in his private chapel when he went into an ecstasy, which to alarmed onlookers appeared to be a coma or worse. In this state he overheard a conversation between Our Lord Jesus Christ and Satan, eerily reminiscent of God's conversation with Satan in the Book of Job:

Satan: "I can destroy your Church."
Christ: "You can? Then why don't you?"
Satan: "I need more time and more power."
Christ: "How much time? What kind of power?"
Satan: 75 to 100 years, and more power over those who will give themselves over to me."
Christ: I give you the time; the power you already have.

Pope Leo then saw the course of the Twentieth Century. When he came to, he told the clergy with him what he had seen, and wrote the Invocation to Saint Michael. It is worth noting that the full text of this prayer, although available on the Internet, is seldom prayed in its full and apocalyptic form, rather a collect-like abbreviation is used. The full form draws heavily on images from the Olivet Discourse and the Apocalypse, chapters 8 - 13, later specified by Sister Lucy to contain the real Third Secret.

Is there a connection between Pope Leo's vision and Fatima? Obviously, yes, since both originate from One God. But what precisely is the connection? October 13, 1884, is exactly 33 years to the day before October 13, 1917, when the Mother of God fulfilled her promise to give "a sign by which all men shall know that I have come to you." Thirty-three years is the age of Christ at his crucifixion. In this context the 33 years may be understood as the period of preparation before the crucifixion of the Mystical Body of Christ began in earnest with the Russian Revolution. (Russia will spread her errors throughout the world, causing persecution of the Church and the Holy Father, said Our Lady). It is especially noteworthy in this regard that even secular historians today speak of Europe's Long Nineteenth Century as being from 1789 to 1917.

Now consider that Satan requested, and received from the Lord, 75 - 100 years in which to attack and destroy the Church. If my understanding is right, we ought to calculate that period of woe as beginning in October of 1917.

Our Lady's message shows how her Immaculate Heart could have triumphed at any time from 1929 onward. To Sister Lucy at Tuy on June 13, 1929 she said, "The moment has come in which God asks for the consecration of Russia...". Pius XI did not do it. In 1960 Pope John XXIII read the text of the Third Secret and could have used the Second Vatican Council for the consecration, but did not do it. It remains undone to this day, and the promised triumph cannot take place without the requested Collegial Consecration of Russia.

However, the longest that the satanic onslaught can continue is definitely fixed at 100 years. We should take this seriously. God speaks with great precision in his use of numbers; just consider the 120 years from the time God commanded Noah to build an ark, until the Flood came. So, I think we may be reasonably certain that, at the latest, Our Lady's triumph will have taken place by October of 2017.

Just to test this theory, which I developed in the year 2000, I did some calculation. Satan said, "75 to 100 years." What if God gave him exactly the time between 75 and 100 years? That would be 87.5 years. Starting at October 1917, and counting forward 87.5 years, where does that take us? To April 2005. So I waited to see if anything big would happen in April 2005. Indeed, something big did happen. John Paul II died, and Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger was elected to the See of Peter as Benedict XVI.

I do not know just how the promise will be fulfilled, or when. I hope that conditions in the Church and the world, and the grace of millions of rosaries, will move the heart of Pope Benedict to reconsider his current course of action and call for the Collegial Consecration of Russia. I do believe, however, that we are in the final decade of this most troubled of times for the Church, and that, at least, is a comforting thought.

Happy New Year to all!

[Walty]

Could Benedict XVI be the Pope who brings the Church (as a ship) to peaceful and orthodox rest between the pillars of Mary (future consecration of Russia?) and the Eucharist (bringing back the TLM?).

[Gabriel]

Just to make things easier for those who would like to see the original exorcism prayer to Saint Michael by Leo XIII:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Rhodes/3543/exorcism.htm

[Ita]

I'm pretty much a neophyte on this matter, so I'm trying to get up to speed with these revelations.  

I did find this site:   www.fatima.org .    Is this a good place to learn about this?

It seemed credible and I read and learned a great deal.  The Russian connection is particularly intriguing given Russia's  'mood swings' in the past 120 years.   Many Russian historians (that is,  those who study Russia)  will tell you that Russia sees herself as  1. The  legitimate inheritor of the Roman Empire and 2. as that true heir, the true protector of the Christian faith.  I think the Christian aspect gets lost in the power struggle but its worth considering.  Russia under Putin is certainly engaging in some unsettling alliances that belie a Christian ethic.  

Stay tuned...!

 

[FlosCarmeli]

A friend of mine who used to be a seminarian (Catholic not R.O.) went to a monastery in Russia as a missionary, but he decided to leave the order and teach at a university there instead. He told me that Russia is literally like Hell on earth and it is the worst place on earth to live because everyone there is so incredibly corrupt. He said once you go there you wont want to leave because the temptations to sin are so great that whole society is so entrenched in sin. He told me a lot of stories, and I kept reminding him to leave because of what Our Lady of Fatima said about Russia, it is a miracle he hasn't lost his faith because he has really done down hill since he visited there the first time. Please pray for him and for Russia.

[ggreg]

I've lived in Russia for over two years and have in-laws there.  It is corrupt - but it's not Africa.  Like everywhere there are advantages and disadvantages.  Russia is very different to Europe and America and certainly cannot be thought of as a democracy in any meaningful sense, but, equally there is no homosexual agenda there and families do tend to pull together a bit more than Euromerica.  Individualism has not taken hold as much and there is not the same attitude of being brazen and proud about one's sins.  Men sleep around , some are athiests, but they don't bragg about it and they don't think of themselves as sophisticated in their sins.  Most teenage girls would not be happy to be known as sexually promiscuous and if they were would try to hide it.  That is probably the biggest difference to the western world.  We are far more brazen in our sins.

[ggreg]

Its an interesting theory, however I think significant events will kick off before 1917 though that might be a pivotal year.

1.  Pope Benedict probably isn't going to last that long and I believe he is the Pope mentioned in the Third Secret vision.

2.  Joey Lomangino isn't going to last that long either.

100 years is a nice round number but it is not particular biblical number.  40 years is a more biblical number for punishments, 40 days for fasting and suffering.  2009 will mark 40 years of the universal propagation of the new mass.  Vatican II was the Church's golden calf moment where they raised up a false idol of man and worshiped him.  40 years in the desert for that treachery and to prepare the way for the Marian Age.  A break with the Triumphalism of the 1950s, which paved the path to Vatican II, and a new breed of Catholic born in the spiritual desert who will be able to rebuild the Church in the promised land.

[HotRod]

My opinion is, there is already a looong list of predicted dates for the 2nd coming, but hey, if we keep predicting, eventually someone's gonna get it right.  Live your life like he's coming tomorrow (or you going to see him!) and it wont matter.

[DaveC]

You can really sense the urgency in Pope Leo's full prayer.

[adam]

Information I got from this article is quite interesting:

On October 13, 1884 Leo XIII had just completed a celebration of the Mass in one of the Vatican’s private chapels. Standing at the foot of the alter he suddenly turned ashen and collapsed to the floor. Apparently the victim of a stroke or heart attack. However, neither malady was the cause of his collapse. For he had just been given a vision of the future of the church he loved so much. After a few minutes spent in what seemed like a coma, he revived and remarked to those around him, “Oh, what a horrible picture I was permitted to see!”

What Leo XIII apparently saw, as described later by those who talked to him at the time of his vision, was a period of about ONE HUNDRED YEARS when the power of Satan would reach its zenith…

Keeping this in mind let us go on. Bl. Anne Catherine Emmerich a mystic in the church who was born in 1774 suffered the stigmata and suffered greatly for the church. She saw our Lords passion and wrote much about His hidden life. She also had something to say about end time’s events. The following excerpt is taken from her writings on the passion of our Lord in the book entitled “The Dolorous Passion of our Lord Jesus Christ.

”: …In the center of Hell I saw a dark and horrible-looking abyss, and into this Lucifer was cast, after being first strongly secured with chains; thick clouds of sulphurous black smoke arose from its fearful depths, and enveloped his frightful form in the dismal folds, this effectually concealing him from every beholder. God himself had decreed this and I was likewise told, if I remember rightly, that he will be unchained for a time fifty or sixty years before the year of Christ 2000. The dates of many other events were pointed out to me which I do not now remember; but a certain number of demons are to be let loose much earlier than Lucifer, in order to tempt men, and to serve as instruments of the divine vengeance. I should think that some must be loosened even in the present day, and others will be set free in a short time…

JUST AN ADD-IN: This is another article that may be relevant to the topic. I have not evaluated its accuracy but it is certainly not contradictory to the Catholic Faith.