A Question for FSSPers...

[MagisterMusicae]

Anyone know what the SSPX does with the bishop's name? Do they use the name of the bishop of the diocese?

They use the local Ordinary, as would any religious order.

Remember that a bishop as the superior of an order is not a necessity, nor a regular occurrence. Often priests are superiors of orders.

The SSPX bishops (as would all bishops, even auxiliaries and coadjutors) use the Episcopal Canon, whose text is: una cum famulo tuo Papa nostro Benedicto et me indigne servum tuum et omnibus orthodoxis ... (together with Thy servant Benedict, our Pope, me, Thine unworthy servant and all orthodox ...).

The Pope would use a similar formula, but omit the portion referring to the Pope, instead simply praying for himself: una cum me indigne servum tuum et omnibus orthodoxis... (together with me, Thine unworthy servant and all orthodox ... ).

When a diocese is vacant the prayer said by priests would be: una cum famulo tuo Papa nostro Benedicto et omnibus orthodoxis... (together with Thy servant Benedict, our Pope and all orthodox ...) omitting any reference to the local bishop.
 
 When a Papacy is vacant (between Popes) the prayer said by priests would be: una cum Antistite nostro N. et omnibus orthodoxis ... (together with our bishop N. and all orthodox ...) omitting any reference to the Pope.

Most sedevacantists would employ the vacant seat format. Others from the "Sede Variety Pack" say the normal formula but omit the name of the Pope, believing a Pope to exist somewhere, but who is impeded from taking his "rightful" place.

[StrictCatholicGirl]

Anyone know what the SSPX does with the bishop's name? Do they use the name of the bishop of the diocese?

They use the local Ordinary, as would any religious order.

Remember that a bishop as the superior of an order is not a necessity, nor a regular occurrence. Often priests are superiors of orders.

Doesn't the FSSP answer directly to the Pope? Like the Jesuits do?

- Lisa

[MagisterMusicae]

Anyone know what the SSPX does with the bishop's name? Do they use the name of the bishop of the diocese?

They use the local Ordinary, as would any religious order.

Remember that a bishop as the superior of an order is not a necessity, nor a regular occurrence. Often priests are superiors of orders.

Doesn't the FSSP answer directly to the Pope? Like the Jesuits do?

- Lisa

Neither "answer directly to the Pope".

Each is a religious congregation (or order) and has a hierarchical structure. The Superior General of the FSSP is Fr. John Berg. The Jesuit Order's Superior General is Fr. Peter Hans Kolvenbach.

In most cases the religious congregation is autonomous of the diocese, but, since within its territory, they include the local Ordinary.

The Superior General is the head of the congregation and he answers to the Pope, though in most cases is elected by the congregation itself (and sometimes approved by the Pope).

[StrictCatholicGirl]

Neither "answer directly to the Pope".

Each is a religious congregation (or order) and has a hierarchical structure. The Superior General of the FSSP is Fr. John Berg. The Jesuit Order's Superior General is Fr. Peter Hans Kolvenbach.

In most cases the religious congregation is autonomous of the diocese, but, since within its territory, they include the local Ordinary.

Thanks

- Lisa 

[kjvail]

The              Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter is a Clerical Society of Apostolic              Life of Pontifical right, that is, a community of Roman Catholic              priests who do not take religious vows, but who work together for              a common mission in the world.  The mission of the Fraternity              is two-fold:  first, the formation and sanctification of priests              in the cadre of the traditional liturgy              of the Roman rite, and secondly, the pastoral deployment of              the priests in the service of the Church.            

The Fraternity was founded on July 18, 1988 at the Abbey of Hauterive              (Switzerland) by a dozen priests and a score of seminarians.  Shortly              after the Fraternity’s foundation and following upon a request by              Cardinal Ratzinger, Bishop Joseph Stimpfle of Augsburg, Germany              granted the Fraternity a home in Wigratzbad, a Marian shrine in              Bavaria that now lodges the Fraternity’s European seminary. In the same month of October there arrived a handful              of priests and some thirty seminarians ready to start "from              scratch".  There are currently almost 200 priests and 110              seminarians in the Fraternity.

           

Priestly              Formation in the Fraternity

           

The              Fraternity of St. Peter currently operates two international houses              of formation: the original formation house in Wigratzbad,              Germany (diocese of Augsburg), and the other in Denton,              Nebraska, U.S.A. (diocese of Lincoln).  The Fraternity has              organized its seminary training in accordance with the Church’s              norms on priestly formation, including a year of more intense              spiritual preparation before entering the cycles of philosophy and              theology.  By fostering a balanced life of prayer, study, community              life, and personal discipline, care is taken to foster human maturity              and to acquire the spirit of the Gospel, in close union with Christ.               The spiritual life in the houses is centered on the sacrifice              of the Mass.  Special attention is paid to the faithful observance              of the "liturgical and spiritual traditions" according              to the dispositions of the Motu proprio Ecclesia              Dei adflicta of July 2, 1988, which is at the origin of the              Fraternity’s foundation (Constitutions, Art. .

           

Pastoral              Mission of Fraternity Priests

           

Once              the formation progamme has been completed, the Fraternity’s priests              serve the faithful – under the direction of their bishop and within              the terms of the Fraternity’s own constitutions – in its various              apostolates in France, Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Italy,              the USA, Australia, Canada, Great Britain              , Nigeria and Benin.  In the world, the priests of the Fraternity live              in small communities and work to spread the Gospel by means of preaching,              catechesis, youth education (scout troops, schools), and organizing              pilgrimages and retreats, etc.  With the full approval of the              Holy See and the permission of  local bishops, the priests provide              a full sacramental life for the faithful, administered  according              to the liturgical books of 1962.

Fraternitas Sacerdotalis Sancti Petri

I've always gone to a Fraternity parish, Our Lady, Queen of the Holy Rosary in Indianapolis, IN. We share the parish, as is common (but not universal, there are an increasing number of F.S.S.P. only parishes) our current pastor is Fr. Michael Mageria, F.S.S.P.


Videos of our mass at Christmas Night (2006)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY5YIlG0a0Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2af2Q12um4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkzWtYCFvvk&feature=related

[StrictCatholicGirl]

Beautimous!!!! I'm watching the Christmas Mass videos now. The comments rather echo my personal sentiments. That's a beautiful sanctuary.. and Indy is just 3 hours from Cincinnati too. Good.. I thought I'd have to save up for a European vacation LOL

With the full approval of the Holy See and the permission of local bishops, the priests provide a full sacramental life for the faithful, administered according to the liturgical books of 1962.

In a nutshell, that's what I wanted to know.

 

In my search I found this link too. http://www.sanctamissa.org/

 

I have enough to keep me occupied for awhile, don't I? God bless the Fraternity and their work. Thanks for all the goodies.

 

Venite Adoremus

 

- Lisa

[kjvail]

Beautimous!!!! I'm watching the Christmas Mass videos now. The comments rather echo my personal sentiments. That's a beautiful sanctuary.. and Indy is just 3 hours from Cincinnati too. Good.. I thought I'd have to save up for a European vacation LOL

In my search I found this link too. http://www.sanctamissa.org/

I have enough to keep me occupied for awhile, don't I? God bless the Fraternity and their work. Thanks for all the goodies.

Venite Adoremus

- Lisa

If you are in Cincinnati you don't have to come all the way to Indy, though you are welcome to. There is a Fraternity only parish about 1/2 way between here and Cincy at

Sts. Philomena and Cecilia Church

16194 Saint Marys Rd
Brookville, IN 47012, USA
 
Masses:
Sun. 7.30 and 10.30 (Missa Cantata)
Mon. Wed. Thu. 8.00 and 12.00
Tue. and Fri. 12.00 and 19.00
Sat. 7.15 et 8.30
Feasts 7.00 and 19.00 (Missa Cantata).
 
Contact: +1 765 647-0310

[Vincentius]

They aren't said loudly enough for the congregation to hear it.  At least not at any Mass I've attended.  But the altar servers can hear it.

Why does the congregation need to hear the words of Canon?  I have served at the TLM and I never could make out the words the priest prays the Canon above a whisper.  Most priest don't even whisper.

How would anyone know whether the prayers for the Holy Father or local bishop are included in the Traditional Latin Mass since the Canon is prayed silently?

For all we know, the priest could be saying, "Bread thou art and bread thou shalt remain" and we'd be none the wiser.

If the priest changes, takes away or adds any words in the Canon, he sins gravely.  As long as the Words of Institution are correct in Form, whatever the priest does does not matter to us and we shouldn't be concerned.  We don't participate in his sin.   I'm referring to the Mass which you are worried about, not the Mass by a sedevacantist priest, in which the una cum does not mention the Pope.  That's altogether a different matter.

[neel]

Why does the congregation need to hear the words of Canon?  I have served at the TLM and I never could make out the words the priest prays the Canon above a whisper.  Most priest don't even whisper.

People that complain about not hearing the canon are walking shaky ground:

If anyone says that the rite of the Roman Church, according to which a part of the canon and the words of consecration are pronounced in a low tone, is to be condemned; or that the mass ought to be celebrated in the vernacular tongue only; or that water ought not to be mixed with the wine that is to be offered in the chalice because it is contrary to the institution of Christ, let him be anathema.

[StrictCatholicGirl]

People that complain about not hearing the canon are walking shaky ground:

Oh who isn't walking on shaky ground these days?

Anathema, anathema, we all fall down  (sigh)

- Lisa