|
warrior4christ
|
|
« Reply #40 on: July 13, 2009, 06:21:PM » |
|
Nowhere has the SSPX ever said that it believes the Church can give us evil, that would be utterly ridiculus, Oloc06. Why would a group of priests and religious who say they want to do only good by being a part of a holy Church believe that that Church can do or give evil? The website for SSPX in the United State clearly says that they believe that the Novus Ordo was not given by the Church: Let me ask you then. How does the Church give us a Discipline like a Mass? If the Novus Ordo wasn't given by the Church, then why was is officially promulgate by Paul VI and made the, in motu terms, ordinary rite? All processes where followed. Paul VI, as we examined in the other thread, used the same binding language that Quo Primum did. If Quo Primum came from the Church, then the Novus Ordo did. All this confusion was foretold. We were warned by Our Lady at La Salette that Rome would lose the faith and become the seat of the anti christ . That's is what has happened. Lucia's third secret was also bluffed up and never read to us (according to those who read it it is very serious) The Church of Christ does not give us evil., The Devil does. No man whetther he call himself a Pope can change 75% of the liturgy of the Holy Mass as Paul Vi did. He also wished that the liturgy correspond as much as possible with the Protestant liturgy, hardly a Catholic! He also ordered this ecuminism, the destruction of churches, a change to all the sacramentals. . Jesus clearly taught AGAINST the false teaching of Vatican II 'Ecuminism' Why was it invented only in the 60's ask yourself? Protestants and heritics which the church is now encouraging us to meet and endorse is just leading to widespread confusion. The Catholic church was against it up until the election of the freemasons starting with Roncalli (JohnXXIII). (another man was elected pope and forced not to accept the office.) Their one goal was to infiltrate and bring down the Catholic Church.They do not believe Jesus' teachings on divorce, water baptism, purgatory, the need for confession etc and therefore they have a different doctrine than Christ and it was for that reason Martin Luther was excommunicated. Just one passage out of hundreds destroys their teaching on ecuminism. Second epistle of Saint John "Whosoever revolteth, and continueth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that continueth in the doctrine, the same hath both the Father and the Son. If any man come to you and bring not this doctrine, receive hime not onto the house nor say, God speed you, for he that sayeth unto him God speed you, communicateth with his wicked works". Thats why the ecuminsim is false teaching. Being as one as He and the Father are One clearly means one in his sanctacy. simple teaching which has been heartwrenchingly twisted by heritics. In the links below you will find SOME information an what we have been blindfolded to since the 60s and it all becomes clear about the messages regarding changes to the sacred Mass, and St Francis's warning of the apostacy and an uncanonically elected man who would take the Popes Chair. Also were you aware that the third secret of Fatima(according to those who read it at the Vatican )has NEVER been made public because it told of this apostacy you are fighting for? Lucia died in 1949 according to the nuns death obituary.She said that the secret must be made public by the 60's at the latest and wrote on the letter 'by express wishes of Our Lady'. This request of Our Lady was disobeyed. This was a Lucia that had a sincere concern for saving people from damnation. It was not the Lucia double that was introduced by Paul VI who changed over 70% of the Mass and order the destruction of Catholic chapel ornaments and no more teaching on purgatory and other important Catholic doctrine. He enlisted 7 protestant ministers to rewrite our Holy Mass and that does not bother you? The devil is very cunning and will not come as a horned beast, but will almost agree but subtly adjust doctrine. Jesus will have no mercy on those who stray. And just again I would like to ask you; Why did John Paul 2 not take the papal oath? http://www.scribd.com/doc/4031371/Papal-Oath-for-Coronation http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/John23.htmlhttp://www.destroyfreemasonry.com/overview.htmhttp://www.thepopeinred.com/http://www.opusdeialert.com/roncaliamason.htmhttp://www.novusordowatch.org/francis.htmhttp://www.realnews247.com/giuffre_on_oct_26_1958.htmhttp://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g11htTwoSisterLucys_Horvat.htmhttp://communityofhopeinc.net/Prayer%20Pages/Saints/marie%20julie.html Under Canon Law any Catholic who [...] becomes a Mason is ipso facto excommunicated from the Church.(who changed this?) Also see youtube videos 5 parts : What we have lost...and the Road to Restoration 1/5 Find The Holy Catholic church still here in the Latin Mass thanks to the brave soldiers of Christ who fought to keep it even though they banned it. Padre Pio wrote for dispensation from sayin the New Mass. Let me know if you agree with all that has happened. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
didishroom
Member
Gender: 
Location: North Jersey(Yes Central and South Jersey are something different)
Personality type: Sanguine/Melancholic
Posts: 4,667
Guten Morgen!
|
|
« Reply #41 on: July 13, 2009, 06:27:PM » |
|
Padre Pio wrote for dispensation from sayin the New Mass. And yet he recognized Paul VI as the true pope and personally sent him a letter praising his encyclical Humanae Vitae |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
"We're from Jersey. Not New Jersey, just Jersey. We curse a lot. We say "yo" and we say it often. We sure as hell don't pump our own gas. We know what real pizza tastes like and we know that a bagel is much more than a roll wit a hole in the middle. We judge people by what exit they are off the parkway or by what mall they live closest to. We drive SUVs and we tailgate any chance we get. All good nights must end in a diner, preferably with cheese fries. It's a sub, not a hoagie or a hero. and I wash it down with soda, not pop. I have a dawg, and I drink cawfee. ..and New York City, is "the city." We know 65 mph means 80 mph."-Anon
Foolish then, is he who departs from the Vicar of Christ Crucified, who has the keys of the Blood, or who goes against him . . . Even though the pope were satan incarnate himself, I may not lift up my head against him, but I must always humble myself, and beg for the Blood as a mercy, for in no other wise can I obtain a part of it -St. Catherine of Sienna.
If desire has equal power with actual Baptism, you would then be satisfied to desire Glory, as though that longing itself were Glory!-St. Gregory Nazianzen.
|
|
|
INPEFESS
Please remember me in your rosary intentions.
Member
Gender:
Personality type: Mostly melancholic
Posts: 10,836
† "If anyone love Me, he will keep My word." †
|
|
« Reply #42 on: July 13, 2009, 06:52:PM » |
|
Padre Pio wrote for dispensation from sayin the New Mass. And yet he recognized Paul VI as the true pope and personally sent him a letter praising his encyclical Humanae VitaeCould you cite your proof of this, please? I've only ever heard the rumors and the "according to's", but I've never actually seen the substantial evidence. Thanks in advance! |
|
|
|
« Last Edit: July 13, 2009, 06:54:PM by INPEFESS »
|
Logged
|
I n N omine P atris, E t F ilii, E t S piritus S ancti "The practice of the Church has always been the same, as is shown by the unanimous teaching of the Fathers, who were wont to hold as outside Catholic communion, and alien to the Church, whoever would recede in the least degree from any point of doctrine proposed by her authoritative magisterium" (Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum, no. 9, June 29, 1896). “Wherefore, brethren, labour the more, that by good works you may make sure your calling and election. For doing these things, you shall not sin at any time” (2 Peter 1:10).
|
|
|
didishroom
Member
Gender:
Location: North Jersey(Yes Central and South Jersey are something different)
Personality type: Sanguine/Melancholic
Posts: 4,667
Guten Morgen!
|
|
« Reply #43 on: July 13, 2009, 07:08:PM » |
|
Padre Pio wrote for dispensation from sayin the New Mass. And yet he recognized Paul VI as the true pope and personally sent him a letter praising his encyclical Humanae VitaeCould you cite your proof of this, please? I've only ever heard the rumors and the "according to's", but I've never actually seen the substantial evidence. Thanks in advance! I gotta look. It was on some website that had a copy of his letter. And whether or not such a letter existed, it is besides the point. Unless Padre Pio deliberately denied the validity of the new Mass or the legitimacy of Paul VI's papacy the burden of proof is entirely on this guy here. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
"We're from Jersey. Not New Jersey, just Jersey. We curse a lot. We say "yo" and we say it often. We sure as hell don't pump our own gas. We know what real pizza tastes like and we know that a bagel is much more than a roll wit a hole in the middle. We judge people by what exit they are off the parkway or by what mall they live closest to. We drive SUVs and we tailgate any chance we get. All good nights must end in a diner, preferably with cheese fries. It's a sub, not a hoagie or a hero. and I wash it down with soda, not pop. I have a dawg, and I drink cawfee. ..and New York City, is "the city." We know 65 mph means 80 mph."-Anon
Foolish then, is he who departs from the Vicar of Christ Crucified, who has the keys of the Blood, or who goes against him . . . Even though the pope were satan incarnate himself, I may not lift up my head against him, but I must always humble myself, and beg for the Blood as a mercy, for in no other wise can I obtain a part of it -St. Catherine of Sienna.
If desire has equal power with actual Baptism, you would then be satisfied to desire Glory, as though that longing itself were Glory!-St. Gregory Nazianzen.
|
|
|
didishroom
Member
Gender:
Location: North Jersey(Yes Central and South Jersey are something different)
Personality type: Sanguine/Melancholic
Posts: 4,667
Guten Morgen!
|
|
« Reply #44 on: July 13, 2009, 07:08:PM » |
|
Hold on: I got it. Here you go.
Your Holiness:
Availing myself of Your Holiness' meeting with the Capitular Fathers, I unite myself in spirit with my Brothers, and in a spirit of faith, love and obedience to the greatness of Him whom you represent on earth, offer my respectful homage to Your August Person, humbly kneeling at Your feet.
The Capuchin Order has always been among the first in their love, fidelity and reverence for the Holy See. I pray the Lord that its members remain ever thus, continuing their tradition of seriousness and religious asceticism evangelical poverty, faithful observance of the Rule and Constitutions, renewing themselves in vigorous living and deep interior spirit—always ready, at the least gesture from Your Holiness, to go forward at once to assist the Church in her needs.
I know that Your heart suffers much these days on account of the happenings in the Church: for peace in the world, for the great needs of its peoples; but above all, for the lack of obedience of some, even Catholics, to the lofty teachings which You, assisted by the Holy Spirit and in the name of God, have given us. I offer Your Holiness my daily prayers and sufferings, the insignificant but sincere offering of the least of your sons, asking the Lord to comfort you with His grace to continue along the direct yet often burdensome way—in defense of those eternal truths which can never change with the times.
In the name of my spiritual sons and of the "Praying Groups" I thank Your Holiness for the clear and decisive words You have spoken in the recent encyclical, "Humanae Vitae", and I reaffirm my own faith and my unconditional obedience to Your inspired directives.
May God grant truth to triumph, and, may pence be given to His Church, tranquility to the people of the earth, and health and prosperity to Your Holiness, so that when these disturbing clouds pass over, the Reign of God may triumph in all hearts, through the Apostolic Works of the Supreme Shepherd of all Christians.
Prostrate at Your feet, I beg you to bless me, my Brothers in religion, my spiritual sons, the "Praying Groups", all the sick—that we may faithfully fulfill the good works done in the Name of Jesus and under your protection.
Your Holiness' most humble servant,
PADRE PIO, Capuchin
San Giovanni Rotondo, 12th September, 1968.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Taken from:
L'Osservatore Romano
Weekly Edition in English
10 October 1968, page 9
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
"We're from Jersey. Not New Jersey, just Jersey. We curse a lot. We say "yo" and we say it often. We sure as hell don't pump our own gas. We know what real pizza tastes like and we know that a bagel is much more than a roll wit a hole in the middle. We judge people by what exit they are off the parkway or by what mall they live closest to. We drive SUVs and we tailgate any chance we get. All good nights must end in a diner, preferably with cheese fries. It's a sub, not a hoagie or a hero. and I wash it down with soda, not pop. I have a dawg, and I drink cawfee. ..and New York City, is "the city." We know 65 mph means 80 mph."-Anon
Foolish then, is he who departs from the Vicar of Christ Crucified, who has the keys of the Blood, or who goes against him . . . Even though the pope were satan incarnate himself, I may not lift up my head against him, but I must always humble myself, and beg for the Blood as a mercy, for in no other wise can I obtain a part of it -St. Catherine of Sienna.
If desire has equal power with actual Baptism, you would then be satisfied to desire Glory, as though that longing itself were Glory!-St. Gregory Nazianzen.
|
|
|
|
|
INPEFESS
Please remember me in your rosary intentions.
Member
Gender:
Personality type: Mostly melancholic
Posts: 10,836
† "If anyone love Me, he will keep My word." †
|
|
« Reply #45 on: July 13, 2009, 07:14:PM » |
|
Hold on: I got it. Here you go.
Your Holiness:
Availing myself of Your Holiness' meeting with the Capitular Fathers, I unite myself in spirit with my Brothers, and in a spirit of faith, love and obedience to the greatness of Him whom you represent on earth, offer my respectful homage to Your August Person, humbly kneeling at Your feet.
The Capuchin Order has always been among the first in their love, fidelity and reverence for the Holy See. I pray the Lord that its members remain ever thus, continuing their tradition of seriousness and religious asceticism evangelical poverty, faithful observance of the Rule and Constitutions, renewing themselves in vigorous living and deep interior spirit—always ready, at the least gesture from Your Holiness, to go forward at once to assist the Church in her needs.
I know that Your heart suffers much these days on account of the happenings in the Church: for peace in the world, for the great needs of its peoples; but above all, for the lack of obedience of some, even Catholics, to the lofty teachings which You, assisted by the Holy Spirit and in the name of God, have given us. I offer Your Holiness my daily prayers and sufferings, the insignificant but sincere offering of the least of your sons, asking the Lord to comfort you with His grace to continue along the direct yet often burdensome way—in defense of those eternal truths which can never change with the times.
In the name of my spiritual sons and of the "Praying Groups" I thank Your Holiness for the clear and decisive words You have spoken in the recent encyclical, "Humanae Vitae", and I reaffirm my own faith and my unconditional obedience to Your inspired directives.
May God grant truth to triumph, and, may pence be given to His Church, tranquility to the people of the earth, and health and prosperity to Your Holiness, so that when these disturbing clouds pass over, the Reign of God may triumph in all hearts, through the Apostolic Works of the Supreme Shepherd of all Christians.
Prostrate at Your feet, I beg you to bless me, my Brothers in religion, my spiritual sons, the "Praying Groups", all the sick—that we may faithfully fulfill the good works done in the Name of Jesus and under your protection.
Your Holiness' most humble servant,
PADRE PIO, Capuchin
San Giovanni Rotondo, 12th September, 1968.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Taken from:
L'Osservatore Romano
Weekly Edition in English
10 October 1968, page 9
Thank you! I will remember you in my rosary tonight... |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
I n N omine P atris, E t F ilii, E t S piritus S ancti "The practice of the Church has always been the same, as is shown by the unanimous teaching of the Fathers, who were wont to hold as outside Catholic communion, and alien to the Church, whoever would recede in the least degree from any point of doctrine proposed by her authoritative magisterium" (Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum, no. 9, June 29, 1896). “Wherefore, brethren, labour the more, that by good works you may make sure your calling and election. For doing these things, you shall not sin at any time” (2 Peter 1:10).
|
|
|
didishroom
Member
Gender:
Location: North Jersey(Yes Central and South Jersey are something different)
Personality type: Sanguine/Melancholic
Posts: 4,667
Guten Morgen!
|
|
« Reply #46 on: July 13, 2009, 07:16:PM » |
|
Thank you.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
"We're from Jersey. Not New Jersey, just Jersey. We curse a lot. We say "yo" and we say it often. We sure as hell don't pump our own gas. We know what real pizza tastes like and we know that a bagel is much more than a roll wit a hole in the middle. We judge people by what exit they are off the parkway or by what mall they live closest to. We drive SUVs and we tailgate any chance we get. All good nights must end in a diner, preferably with cheese fries. It's a sub, not a hoagie or a hero. and I wash it down with soda, not pop. I have a dawg, and I drink cawfee. ..and New York City, is "the city." We know 65 mph means 80 mph."-Anon
Foolish then, is he who departs from the Vicar of Christ Crucified, who has the keys of the Blood, or who goes against him . . . Even though the pope were satan incarnate himself, I may not lift up my head against him, but I must always humble myself, and beg for the Blood as a mercy, for in no other wise can I obtain a part of it -St. Catherine of Sienna.
If desire has equal power with actual Baptism, you would then be satisfied to desire Glory, as though that longing itself were Glory!-St. Gregory Nazianzen.
|
|
|
INPEFESS
Please remember me in your rosary intentions.
Member
Gender:
Personality type: Mostly melancholic
Posts: 10,836
† "If anyone love Me, he will keep My word." †
|
|
« Reply #47 on: July 13, 2009, 07:20:PM » |
|
Padre Pio wrote for dispensation from sayin the New Mass. And yet he recognized Paul VI as the true pope and personally sent him a letter praising his encyclical Humanae VitaeCould you cite your proof of this, please? I've only ever heard the rumors and the "according to's", but I've never actually seen the substantial evidence. Thanks in advance! I gotta look. It was on some website that had a copy of his letter. And whether or not such a letter existed, it is besides the point. Unless Padre Pio deliberately denied the validity of the new Mass or the legitimacy of Paul VI's papacy the burden of proof is entirely on this guy here. Well, interestingly, I'm almost certain Padre Pio died in 1968. The new Mass wasn't promulgated until April 3, 1969, and I have yet to find evidence that says Father Pio celebrated or reviewed the new Mass before its implementation. His last Mass was the 'Vernacular' so far as I remember. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
I n N omine P atris, E t F ilii, E t S piritus S ancti "The practice of the Church has always been the same, as is shown by the unanimous teaching of the Fathers, who were wont to hold as outside Catholic communion, and alien to the Church, whoever would recede in the least degree from any point of doctrine proposed by her authoritative magisterium" (Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum, no. 9, June 29, 1896). “Wherefore, brethren, labour the more, that by good works you may make sure your calling and election. For doing these things, you shall not sin at any time” (2 Peter 1:10).
|
|
|
didishroom
Member
Gender:
Location: North Jersey(Yes Central and South Jersey are something different)
Personality type: Sanguine/Melancholic
Posts: 4,667
Guten Morgen!
|
|
« Reply #48 on: July 13, 2009, 07:32:PM » |
|
You're right about the years. I didn't know that till I looked it up. I guess the Sedes can't get even the most simplest and basic of facts right.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
"We're from Jersey. Not New Jersey, just Jersey. We curse a lot. We say "yo" and we say it often. We sure as hell don't pump our own gas. We know what real pizza tastes like and we know that a bagel is much more than a roll wit a hole in the middle. We judge people by what exit they are off the parkway or by what mall they live closest to. We drive SUVs and we tailgate any chance we get. All good nights must end in a diner, preferably with cheese fries. It's a sub, not a hoagie or a hero. and I wash it down with soda, not pop. I have a dawg, and I drink cawfee. ..and New York City, is "the city." We know 65 mph means 80 mph."-Anon
Foolish then, is he who departs from the Vicar of Christ Crucified, who has the keys of the Blood, or who goes against him . . . Even though the pope were satan incarnate himself, I may not lift up my head against him, but I must always humble myself, and beg for the Blood as a mercy, for in no other wise can I obtain a part of it -St. Catherine of Sienna.
If desire has equal power with actual Baptism, you would then be satisfied to desire Glory, as though that longing itself were Glory!-St. Gregory Nazianzen.
|
|
|
INPEFESS
Please remember me in your rosary intentions.
Member
Gender:
Personality type: Mostly melancholic
Posts: 10,836
† "If anyone love Me, he will keep My word." †
|
|
« Reply #49 on: July 13, 2009, 07:45:PM » |
|
You're right about the years. I didn't know that till I looked it up. I guess the Sedes can't get even the most simplest and basic of facts right.
 What do the "sedes" say? |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
I n N omine P atris, E t F ilii, E t S piritus S ancti "The practice of the Church has always been the same, as is shown by the unanimous teaching of the Fathers, who were wont to hold as outside Catholic communion, and alien to the Church, whoever would recede in the least degree from any point of doctrine proposed by her authoritative magisterium" (Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum, no. 9, June 29, 1896). “Wherefore, brethren, labour the more, that by good works you may make sure your calling and election. For doing these things, you shall not sin at any time” (2 Peter 1:10).
|
|
|
|
