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Author Topic: Is Genesis real?  (Read 1409 times)
ScottMichael
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« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2008, 06:59:AM »

Scripture Catholic shows that the Bible says that the earth is around 14,041 years old.

Kent Hovind has a series of videos on Young Earth Creationism. He's not Catholic, but his evidence is good. Answers in Genesis is also a good resource.

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StevusMagnus
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« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2008, 10:40:AM »

Isn't it odd how no scientists except "young earth creationists" believe the earth is only 10-14,000 years old?

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« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2008, 10:56:AM »

Quote from: StevusMagnus

Isn't it odd how no scientists except "young earth creationists" believe the earth is only 10-14,000 years old?

Science isn't democratic.
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PaxVobiscum
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« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2008, 01:11:PM »

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Isn't it odd how no scientists except "young earth creationists" believe the earth is only 10-14,000 years old?

Science isn't democratic.


Science is democratic in that scientists will revise their understanding of something if new evidence is found or if an experiment supporting a previously unsupported, or simply never-considered, hypothesis is found to be replicable.

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« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2008, 01:12:PM »

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Isn't it odd how no scientists except "young earth creationists" believe the earth is only 10-14,000 years old?

Science isn't democratic.
i think you mean "Dogmatic".........
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SpiritMeadow
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« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2008, 01:07:PM »

The Pontifical Academy of Science has no creationists on board. All are evolutionists. The Academy is free to do science without interference and it reports to the Vatican. It can be disbanded obviously. The Church to date has no difficulty with its teachings and JPII has made clear his support for evolution. I would argue that Benedict has also left little doubt where he stands either. Creationists are allowed to believe in a YEC and no evolution if they insist, but clearly that's not where the Church is headed.

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Alan
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« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2008, 01:21:PM »

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Isn't it odd how no scientists except "young earth creationists" believe the earth is only 10-14,000 years old?


Isn't it odd that most scientists are Atheistic, yet over 70% of canada, europe, etc believe in a God of some form?

The true answer is that they are not Atheistic rather they view science as their God.

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SpiritMeadow
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« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2008, 03:39:PM »

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Quote from: StevusMagnus

Isn't it odd how no scientists except "young earth creationists" believe the earth is only 10-14,000 years old?



Isn't it odd that most scientists are Atheistic, yet over 70% of canada, europe, etc believe in a God of some form?

The true answer is that they are not Atheistic rather they view science as their God.


I'm not sure what you intend to mean here. A scientists religious or lack of relgious affiliation has zero to do with science. It is a discipline wherein we learn an explanation of our world and how it works. God is the why of the world, the Creator. He obviously chose evolution as his means of moving life forward. It does nothing certainly to the science to impugn the intergrity of the scientists, evidence falls or rises based upon its testability but its very ungenerous to both categorize or impute lyiing to those who don't hold the same religous views as you do.
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Paul
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« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2008, 04:08:PM »

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I'm not sure what you intend to mean here. A scientists religious or lack of relgious affiliation has zero to do with science. It is a discipline wherein we learn an explanation of our world and how it works. God is the why of the world, the Creator. He obviously chose evolution as his means of moving life forward. It does nothing certainly to the science to impugn the intergrity of the scientists, evidence falls or rises based upon its testability but its very ungenerous to both categorize or impute lyiing to those who don't hold the same religous views as you do.

Ideally, you'd be right - both the scientist who believes in God and the scientist who doesn't would examine the evidence and base their conclusions solely on that, but people don't usually work that way. If the explanation for the beginning of life is either that God created it, or that it arose naturally in a manner so unlikely as to defy the laws of probability, the atheist will pick the second option, and try to fit the data into that. Pointing out the bias of certain scientists is part of testing their conclusions.

And it's not at all obvious that God chose to create through (macro)evolution. It's never been observed, the fossil record doesn't indicate ancestry and descent, and anatomical features shared by many animals can be explained just as well by a common creator as by common descent.

Should science develop stronger evidence for evolution, then the Church can re-examine the theory and see how it fits with original sin and other teachings of the Church. It's much like the Galileo situation, where the Church didn't condemn him for teaching the theory that the sun goes around the earth, but rather that he insisted the Church re-interpret the Bible when there wasn't much evidence to prove that he was right.
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« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2008, 01:58:AM »

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Creationists are allowed to believe in a YEC and no evolution if they insist, but clearly that's not where the Church is headed.

I'm glad we're allowed to believe in what the Church has taught since someone wrote down the book of Genesis. 

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