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NathanSoc
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« on: January 29, 2008, 11:49:PM »

FEAR AND SLANDER IN POLAND

Anti-Semitism Book Could Land Historian in Jail

By Siobhán Dowling in Berlin

Prosecutors in Poland are considering charging the US historian Jan Tomasz Gross with slandering the Polish nation following the publication of his book on anti-Semitism in the country after World War II. The book has provoked a storm of controversy.

A group of rabbis places stones on top of the memorial monument in Jedwabne. Gross's 2001 book on the subject opened up the debate on Polish anti-Semitism.
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A group of rabbis places stones on top of the memorial monument in Jedwabne. Gross's 2001 book on the subject opened up the debate on Polish anti-Semitism.

A new book probing the murder of Jews in Poland after the end of World War II has not only unleashed a storm of controversy, it may land its author in jail. The Krakow Prosecutors Office is considering bringing charges against the Polish-American historian Jan Tomasz Gross for his book "Fear: Anti-Semitism in Poland after Auschwitz." The charge? Slandering the Polish nation.

The book has stirred a huge debate in the country since the Polish language version went on sale last Friday. While some academics, clerics and politicians have slammed the book for what they see as generalizations about the attacks that were carried out on Jews in post-war Poland, others have defended it for its contribution to the debate about Poland's past.

Gross' book focuses on the 1946 Kielce pogrom in which 40 Jews were killed. He claims that such cases demonstrate a widespread wish in Polish society to rid the country of Jews. He argues that this was motivated by anti-Semitism and by people wishing to avoid disputes with returning Jewish neighbors over property.

According to the Polish Institute of National Remembrance, which investigates both Nazi and Communist crimes, between 600 and 3,000 of the approximately 300,000 Jews who survived the Holocaust were subsequently killed in Poland. Gross, a professor at Princeton University, says around 200,000 Jews decided to leave the country after anti-Semitic attacks.

'Inappropriate to Burn Books'

The author is now under investigation by the public prosecutors in Krakow, home to his publishers Znak. They are looking into whether the book broke a law that makes slandering the Polish nation a crime. Statute 132 was passed by the government of former Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski in 2006 and provides a three-year prison term for anyone "publicly accusing the Polish nation of participating in, organizing or being responsible for Nazi or Communist crimes."

Gross says he is shocked at the investigation. "I find it so inappropriate to put books on trial or burn them," he told SPIEGEL ONLINE. "They should be discussed in a completely different forum."

The prosecutors have 30 days to make a decision but they are expected to make an announcement sooner than that. Gross is pretty confident things won't go as far as a prosecution. After all, the law itself is soon to be reviewed by the country's constitutional court after human rights activists complained about it.

Even if Gross does not end up in court, the book has unleashed a storm of controversy in Poland, with many right-wing commentators lashing out at its conclusions. Gross suspects that such criticism comes mostly from those who haven't yet read the book. "I think the discussion will slowly develop in a more substantive direction once people read it," he said hopefully.

The uproar isn't doing sales any harm. According to the publishers, 20,000 copies have already been sold since the book was published on Jan. 11, with the books flying off the shelves so fast that they had to rush to get another batch printed.

Right-Wing Backlash

One of Gross' fiercest critics is Marek Jan Chodakiewicz, an historian based at the Institute of World Politics in Washington. In his book "After the Holocaust: Polish-Jewish Conflict in the Wake of World War II," Chodakiewicz sees the murder of Jews within the context of the Soviet-imposed communist dictatorship. He wrote an editorial in the daily Rzeczpospolita, published last Friday, which accused Gross of picking out the facts to back up his theory. But Gross dismisses Chodakiewicz as "not much of an historian" and a "right-wing apologist."

Poland's Jewish community launched a campaign last week aimed at raising awareness of the country's minorities.
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Poland's Jewish community launched a campaign last week aimed at raising awareness of the country's minorities.

The book has likewise ruffled feathers in Poland's conservative establishment. The Archbishop of Krakow, Stanislaw Dziwisz, who has been described as the late Pope John Paul II's right-hand man, wrote a letter to the chairman of the Polish publishers to complain about the book. He said that they should propagate historical truth and not "awake anti-Polish and anti-Semitic demons." The archbishop said that the book had not taken into account the political realities in Poland of the time and he has also said that he does not want to meet with Gross who is currently in Poland promoting the book.

Meanwhile, the ultra-conservative League of Polish Families, which had been a junior coalition partner in the last Polish government, could not resist putting in its two cents' worth and called for Gross to be made a "persona non-grata" in the country.

The publishers have dismissed these complaints. "We should talk about these difficult issues," Znak spokesman Tomasz Miedzik told SPIEGEL ONLINE. "We have the freedom to ask difficult questions about our history and we should do that."

Gross, who was born in Warsaw in 1947, emigrated to the United States with his family in 1968. His previous book "Neighbors" likewise sparked controversy when it was published in Poland in 2001. It dealt with the massacre of Jews by Polish inhabitants of the town of Jedwabne in 1941. Gross concluded that the Jews in the town had perished at the hands of their own Polish neighbors rather than the Nazis, as had been previously assumed.

A Welcome Debate

Many journalists and academics have rushed to defend Gross' book, even if some have disagreed with its central thesis, because they welcome the debate it has ignited about Poland's past. "The book has attacked the Polish myths, and for this reason it should be read and discussed," Miedzink says.

Marcin Zaremba, a historian at Warsaw University, said that he agreed with the argument that Poles had their share in the Holocaust. "Anti-Semitism was a kind of cultural code which Poles used at the time," he told Polish Radio.

Polish rabbi Burt Schuman said that he welcomed the debate, although he felt it was unfair to depict the country as anti-Semitic. He told Bloomberg that what was happening now was "harming our goal of reconciliation."

Writing in the left-liberal daily Gazeta Wyborcza on Monday, the influential Polish columnist Marek Beylin called for a "sincere debate about the dark secrets of the Polish past." While he criticizes Gross' book for not stressing the differences between the Nazi anti-Semitism of the Holocaust and Polish anti-Semitism, he praises the "challenge that Gross mounts to our efforts to come to terms with our past."

Beylin argues that the book's "blistering arguments and confrontational language" have done more to ignite a debate than all the well-measured historical tomes have managed to do in the past.

And he questions whether the criticism of the book isn't a sign of increased Polish nationalism. "Has the (former Kaczynski government's) propaganda that there are enemies trying to destroy Poland and the Polish identity made the public indifferent to Poles' past trespasses?" he asks.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,529320,00.html
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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2008, 12:13:AM »

How does Mr Gross slander the Church

Jerzy Robert Nowak

In the summer of 2006, the book entitled ‘Fear’ by Jan Tomasz Gross was published in the U.S.A. The book was a publication slandering Poland and Poles to a greater extent than ‘Neighbours’, the previous book written by this American Jewish sociologist.  

The majority of critics explicitly accused Gross of various lies, anti-Polish and anti-Catholic ones, undermining the scientific worth of his book. Suffice to mention the reviews of Polish professors living in the U.S.A John Radzilowski and Marek J. Chodkiewicz as well as the well-known activist of the Polish immigrants’ community in Canada lawyer Ryszard Tyndorf. In the autumn of 2006, my 300-page book entitled ‘Nowe klamstwa Grossa’ [The New Lies of Gross] was published in Warsaw. It unmasked the extremely slanderous, anti-scientific and lampoon-like character of Gross’s publication (you can order my book form the publishing house MaRoN, phone numbers: 0-608-854 215 and 0-503-538 606).

 

It is meaningful that the lampoon written by Gross met a severe, overwhelmingly negative, critical opinion written by Dr. August Grabski, a well-known researcher from the Jewish Historical Institute (Kwartalnik Historii Zydow, issue 3, 2006).

 

Anti-Polish and anti-Catholic book

 

The extremely negative opinions of the lies included in Gross’s ‘Fear’ delayed obviously the publication of the Polish version of his book, which appeared over one year and a half after the American edition.

Gross, obviously fearing the Polish reaction to his book, made significant changes, including many fragments that were criticised in my response to his lampoon.

The characteristic cynicism and dishonesty of his approach to the subject – Gross did not inform his readers about his considerable abridgements and alternations, weaken the still embarrassing expression of the arguments that preyed on Poland and Catholicism.

For example, Gross removed one of the most spiteful anti-Catholic slanders from the American edition of ‘Fear’ (p. 162) accusing the Catholic clergy of the ‘ritual murder’ of the Jewish children. Gross wrote,

‘As far as the accusation of the ritual murder is concerned we can clearly discern a different practice that has never been discussed as a controversial problem of the Polish-Jewish relationships. I mean ‘the ritual murder’ of the Jewish children by the Catholic clergy, the crime committed every time when a Jewish child was baptised without the explicit request or authorisation of the child itself or its parents.’
 
Let me remind you that hundreds of Jewish children were left at the gates of Polish monasteries, and the monks and nuns who provided shelter for the children risked their lives if the Germans had learnt about their Jewish charges. Are these types of accusations of those who risked their own lives hiding Jewish children brought by Gross not examples of extreme anti-Catholic fanaticism?
 
The various drastic cuts in Gross’s ‘Fear’ could not cover the vulgar anti-Polish and anti-Catholic meaning of his book. My astonishment was even bigger when I learnt that such a lampoon was published by the Publishing House ‘Znak’ in Krakow.

In order to image the scale of Gross’s slanders I am going to quote some examples of his anti-Catholic calumny form the Krakow’s edition of ‘Fear’, leaving the anti-Polish lies to my different publication.

Attacking the Polish clergy for their attitude towards the Jews Gross wrote (p. 137) about ‘theological cannibalism of the majority of the Bishops’ Conference’ in Poland.’ He accused the Polish clergy of ‘deep anti-Semitism’ during the war (p. 205), claiming that the Polish Church was reputed to play the role of ‘a collaborator through nonfeasance’ (p. 315).

 The slanderous attacks of Gross against the Catholic Church are vulgar slanders, completely contrary to the historical truth and the authentic testimonies of the Jews who survived the Holocaust. I want to mention the wonderful and moving memoirs of the outstanding Polish mathematician of Jewish background Stefan Chaskielewicz.

In his book ‘Ukrywalem sie w Warszawie, styczen 1943 – styczen 1945’ [I was hiding in Warsaw, January 1943 – January 1945] Chaskielewicz wrote, ‘Another chapter, relatively less known, was the wonderful attitude of the Catholic clergy’ (p. 188).

I also refer you to the objective testimony of the well-known British columnist Steward Steven, published in his book ‘The Poles’ in 1982. Among other things Steven wrote about the attitude of the Catholic Church towards Jews during the war,

 ‘The Church showed unique courage in spite of the fact that even the monks and priests were not exempt from persecutions by the authorities. It was determined that almost every monastery in Poland cared for its local Jews, hiding thousands of people, mainly women and children …Individual acts of heroism of priests are too many to enumerate them here …Fr Urbanowicz from Brzesc on the Bug River was shot by the Germans in 1943 for helping some Jews. The Rector of the Theological Academy in Warsaw was sent for the same ‘crime’ to the concentration camp in Majdanek, where he was tortured and died in October 1943. The dean of the parish in Grodno and the prior of the Franciscan order were shot for helping Jews.’

Slander against Cardinal Sapieha The slander against Cardinal Sapieha, Metropolitan of Krakow, one of the greatest figures of the Catholic Church in Poland in the 20th century, spread in Gross’s book, is especially base.

On page 206 of the Polish edition of ‘Fear’ we read the opinion concerning Cardinal Sapieha, which Gross quoted, ‘Cardinal appeared to be an evil man, merciless man … And he was an anti-Semite.’

On page 314 of the Polish edition Gross ‘creatively’ supplemented his slanders against Cardinal Sapieha, included in the English edition,

‘Even Cardinal Adam Sapieha, whose attitude towards the occupant authorities was praised after the war, did not lodge any protest against the Nazi action of murdering the Jews with Governor Frank. Neither his statements nor the statements of other hierarchs of the Polish Church – recollects Fr Stanislaw Musiol in the interview that was published just after his death – have any traces of compassion or concern. This is horrifying.’

One finds no justification to refer to Fr Musiol’s opinion. The late Fr Musiol did not have any deep knowledge about the history of the Polish-Jewish relationships. But he was known for his bias texts, contrary to the stand of the Church concerning the relationships between Christians and Jews.

 Furthermore, the Primate of Poland Cardinal Jozef Glemp called him a representative of the Jewish option and the Jesuit Society sent him a letter containing the command ‘not to speak about the matter of the Oswiecim crosses and similar topics.’

Cardinal Sapieha of Krakow, whom Gross accused of being an Anti-Semite and who did not show ‘any traces of compassion or concern for Jews’ in accordance with the words of Fr Musiol and Gross, was actually the main organiser of the secret help offered for the Jews living in the region of Malopolska during the war.

Jerzy Slaski wrote about the significance of the help for the Jews given by the Metropolitan of Krakow,

‘Cardinal Adam Sapieha of Krakow, who many a time appealed to Frank to stop terror against the Jewish population, was a model for the clergy in this respect (help for the Jews). When his appeals failed he personally directed the rescue action. He provided birth certificates to the Jews, asking his diocesan priests to do that. He opened the gates of religious orders for them. He placed Jewish children in boarding schools and orphanages run by religious congregations. The main helper of the Archbishop was Fr Dr Franciszek Machay from the Blessed Sacrament Church in Krakow-Zwierzyniec, a known social activist and preacher.’

In his book entitled ‘Zaglada Zydow w Krakowie’ [The Holocaust of Jews in Krakow], (Krakow 1985, p. 38) Aleksander Biberstein, a Jewish physician and director of the Jewish isolation hospital in the Krakow’s ghetto, wrote about the interventions of Cardinal Adam Sapieha with the German authorities in 1940. Unfortunately, the only reaction to that intervention, as Biberstein writes (op.cit, p. 223), was the imprisonment of three rabbis who dared to ask the Cardinal’s help and their transport to Auschwitz.’

As we can see, in spite of Gross’s lies, Archbishop Adam Sapieha intervened with the Governor General Frank as early as in 1940. His attempts failed. On the contrary, the appeals caused the criminal German retorsion against the Jews. Would any further attempts make any sense?

 Cardinal Sapieha focused on the most effective activities: to organise on a wide scale help for the Jews in his archbishopric, the help that was very much appreciated and exposed by authentic historians and not by jealous men and impostors like Gross.

In his latest work published in the book entitled ‘Wokol pogromu kieleckiego’ [Around the Pogrom in Kielce] Prof. Jan Zaryn, a historian working in the Institute of National Remembrance and the most outstanding expert in the history of the Catholic Church during the war, wrote about the great merits of Archbishop Sapieha in organising the dangerous actions of rescuing the Jews,

‘The Archbishop of Krakow, in spite of the German ban, let his priests baptise Jews and falsify their certificates as well as he personally intervened in the cases of the Jewish Catholics.’

Why did ‘Znak’ publish the book that preys on Catholics?

 

 Cardinal Adam Sapieha supported ‘Znak’ and ‘Tygodnik Powszechny’ and helped them to come into being and develop to a large extent. Therefore, it is astonishing that in the light of the vulgar slander the chairman of the board of the Catholic publishing house ‘Znak’ that published ‘Fear’, Henryk Wozniakowski did not defend the wonderful figure of the Archbishop of Krakow in his preface to the book.

 

It is amazing that the preface written by Mr Wozniakowski does not include any statements dissociating from the anti-Catholic slanders placed in ‘Fear’. But it is even more amazing that ‘Znak’ decided to publish the book that so much preys on Catholics and Poles.

 

I want to quote, following the Polish Press Agency, the latest commentary of the President of the Institute of National Remembrance Prof. Janusz Kurtyka on the book ‘Fear’ by Gross,

 

‘I think that Mr Gross can be called a vampire of historiography because his book has little to do with science; above all it uses emotions and a very limited set of sources, which are unilaterally interpreted.’

 

It is especially shocking that ‘Znak’ published such a valueless lampoon, which brutally attacks the ecumenical dialogue between Christians and Jews, the dialogue that is so important to the Church and to us.

 

Gross’s book favours building new walls of misunderstanding between Poles and Jews, fomenting discords and it is harmful both to Poles and Jews. Let us add that Mr Wozniakowski himself gave totally false information that after the war Poland had been the only country in which Jews felt endangered as Jews.’

 

Has Mr Wozniakowski not heard about the post-war pogroms in the Ukraine, Slovakia and Hungary? Has he not heard about the criminal anti-Zionist action in the Soviet Union, notabene described by Gross, which resulted in the death of the famous Jewish actor Salomon Michoels, the leader of the Anti-Fascist Committee, the deaths of Zionist physicians and other people?
Besides the especially outrageous slanders against Cardinal Sapieha spread in the book entitled ‘Fear’ we can find various false generalisations concerning such Polish hierarchs as Poland’s Primate Cardinal August Hlond or Bishop Czeslaw Kaczmarek who was imprisoned and sentenced by the communists during the Stalin’s period.

Accusing Cardinal Hlond and the whole Polish Catholic hierarchy (except for Bishop Teodor Kubina) of the lack of public reaction against the crime against the Jews in Kielce in the July of 1946 Gross cynically omits the whole complicated context of the situation in question.

First of all, he fails to mention the fundamental thing that the hierarchs had to take into account the possibility that their statements would have been cynically fabricated in the media for the use of the regime and they would have had literary no chances to put it right.

There were drastic examples of such falsifications, e.g. the Polish Press Agency deliberately manipulated the course of the talks between the representative of the Jewish Religious Associations Prof. Michal Zylberberg and the Primate August Hlond in the January of 1946.

Then the Polish Press Agency informed wrongly that during his conversation with Prof. Zylberberg the Primate had ‘condemned’ the attacks on the Jews and called them ‘criminal activities of the conspirators who attack Jews, fighting against the government (cf. J. Zaryn, Hierarchia Kosciola katolickiego wobec relacji polsko-zydowskich w latach 1945-1947’ [The Hierarchy of the Catholic Church in View of the Polish-Jewish Relationships in the Years 1945-1947] in the book ‘Wokol pogromu kieleckiego’, IPN, Warszawa 2006, p. 92). Then the communist authorities did not allow publishing any disclaimer concerning the lies on the pages of ‘Niedziela’ in Czestochowa (cf. p. 92).

 Gross eagerly refers to the public speech of Bishop Teodor Kubina against anti-Semitism and the pogrom of Jews, presenting him as some kind of ‘the only righteous one’ among the Polish bishops. But at the same time he omits the fact that Bishop Kubina’s appeal was fabricated in the paper for the reason of propaganda by the authorities. The things that were added, without Bishop Kubina’s knowledge, were the political statements, favouring the regime and supporting the authorities, and attacking the independent underground movement.

Among other things there were such statements, ‘Today the majority of the society must clearly say that they do not want any crimes and fratricidal fights and they reject the intentions of those irresponsible political factors that favour murders, excesses and riots in the country. The society will muster all possible forces against those factors to defend the order in the country, to defend the lives of fellow citizens and to defend the work of rebuilding the Homeland that has already begun’ (J. Zaryn, op. cit., p. 99).

No wonder that seeing such a fabrication of Bishop Kubina’s appeal the Polish hierarchs were critical towards any proposals of public statements concerning the crime in Kielce.

It is amazing that in his preface the Chairman of the Board of ‘Znak’ Mr Wozniakowski did not muster the courage to include a disclaimer on the slanderous generalisations of Gross concerning the attitude of the Catholic hierarchy towards the crime in Kielce.

The tendentiousness of Gross is well illustrated in his commentary to the fragment of the statement made by Poland’s Primate Cardinal Hlond, spoken during the meeting with foreign journalists on 11 July 1946.

 On page 195 of the Polish edition of ‘Fear’ Gross quotes the words of Cardinal Hlond, ‘I cordially desire that the Jewish question in the post-war world will be finally and rightly solved.’ Gross comments those words of Cardinal Hlond, writing ‘In other words, it would be best if all Jews left Poland.’ Is such a comment not a proof of the maximum of evil will for his part?!

 The rather special verbal ‘invention’ of Gross is his attempt to introduce new terms ‘katoendecja’ and ‘katoendecy’. According to Gross (op. cit., p. 185), ‘A katoendek, in other words, is a special case of Catholic and National Democrat [a member of the right-wing Polish political party created at the turn of the 20th century] – a Catholic priest who got on to politics in the National Democrats’ way and a National Democrat who prays and backs him up.’

 It is that invented ‘katoendencki’ [Catholic National Democrat] ideology that Gross makes guilty of murdering the Jews by the Polish people during the war and after the war. The word ‘katoendek’ assumes extremely pejorative meaning, and even slanderous meaning, in Gross’s book and interviews.

Thus it is more shocking that Gross uses the term ‘National Democrat historian’ for of the most leading historian of the Institute of National Remembrance Prof. Jan Zaryn who is known for his accuracy and objectivism.

In his book (p. 203) Gross uses the epithet ‘shameless’ to describe Zaryn’s book ‘Hierarchowie Kosciola katolickiego wobec relacji polsko-zydowskich w latach 1945-1945’, which I have already referred to. Gross accuses him of having written an alleged hagiography concerning the Church (p. 202).

 Let us add that after the publication of his ‘Fear’ in Poland Gross keeps saying venomous Anti-Polish and anti-Catholic slanders in his press interviews.

For example, in his interview for ‘Dziennik’, the daily published by the Germans (on 12-13 January 2008), Gross dared to spread an extremely horrifying slander that preyed on Poles, saying,

‘On the basis of testimonies of those who lived in those days one can state that Poles were thankful to Hitler for murdering Jews and they thought that he deserved a monument for that. The Poles’ aggression towards Jews did not only result from their getting used to death but from accepting the Holocaust.’

In another interview for ‘Zycie Warszawy’ on 12-13 January 2008 Gross went as far as to say the extremely anti-Catholic slander:

By the way, my opinion about the role of the Church in those events is the worst. The Church was not completely able to behave properly in that situation – neither during the occupation nor after the war. That does not only concern the Polish Church. After all, the Pope did not say a word to defend the Jews during those days. So the model that the Polish hierarchy could follow was the worst one.’

As we can see, on the latest occasion Gross combined his slanders against the Catholic Church in Poland with the calumny against the Holy Father Pius XII who according to the Jewish historian Lapide managed to rescue several hundred thousand Jews during the war.

Another Gross’s prank that preys on Catholics can be found in his interview for the weekly ‘Wprost’ on 20 January 2008. Gross went as far as to say slanderously that the Church ‘morally sanctioned the persecutions of Jews. One can even speak about the collaboration of the Church with Nazism through nonfeasance… For millions parish priests were the only carriers of the moral norm. Not saying straight that one cannot kill Jews, persecutions were sanctioned … most clergymen did not pass the examination.’

At the same time Gross attacked the great Primate of the Millennium Cardinal Stefan Wyszynski.

The anti-Catholic statements of Gross evoked the critical response of Archbishop Jozef Zycinski. According to ‘Gazeta Wyborcza’ dated 14 January 2008, Archbishop Zycinski stated that Gross’s book ‘hurts and divides, often without any reasons.’

http://sunday.niedziela.pl/artykul.php?nr=200409&dz=polska&id_art=00090

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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2008, 03:14:AM »

The problem is that Jedwabne was an incident. Nobody is talking about the Jews slaughtering Palestinian villages in 1967 either in terms accusing Rabbinic Talmudic Judaism of this crime. And justly so, as the Israeli Army officers were often not even religious Jews, but secularist Jews, and slaughtered out of social conflict, like the Poles and Germans in Jedwabne did.

And yet, the Gross' book does accuse the Roman Catholic Church of inspiring this act. This is not true, these are grave slandering lies, of course supported by the anti-Christian media chains around the world. The Catholic Church in Poland actively hid Jews, e.g. Fr. Maksymilian Kolbe M.I. did so, and many others. Mr Abe Foxman survived the war due to his Polish Catholic nanny, who had him baptized.

And please do not think that the pogroms were "just happening" spontaneously, or provoked by the "evil Good Friday Prayers" (as some anti-Catholic hate mongerers alleged), but happened because of the Jewish behaviour in social and especially financial aspects at the cost of the non-Jewish population. Also their isolated superior attitude made them a bit hated.

It is not like Jews did not give any reason for the social conflicts.
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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2008, 10:55:AM »

Archbishop Zycinski states that Gross’s book ‘hurts and divides, often without any reasons.’

With respect, the Archbishop is wrong. There is a reason. This is a deliberately targeted campaign designed to sell a book. And both the author and publisher know exactly what they are doing. As the Spiegel report states:

The uproar isn't doing sales any harm. According to the publishers, 20,000 copies have already been sold since the book was published on Jan. 11, with the books flying off the shelves so fast that they had to rush to get another batch printed.

There is no low these people won't sink to, no slander too great when it comes to making money.
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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2008, 01:39:PM »

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There is no low these people won't sink to, no slander too great when it comes to making money.
You mean when it comes to trying to destroy the Church and Europeans.
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2008, 06:44:PM »

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There is no low these people won't sink to, no slander too great when it comes to making money.
You mean when it comes to trying to destroy the Church and Europeans.

No, I mean these people don't care about the Church one way or the other. It really doesn't matter whether the Church is innocent or not in their eyes, it is just being used as part of the scam in much the same way that organisations like the Southern Poverty Law Center use holocaust emotional blackmail to scam Jewish people of their cash.

If Gross was sincere in his moral outrage regarding crimes against humanity in post war Poland he would also be petitioning Israel to extradict Salomom Morel back to Poland to stand trial for crimes against humanity. But I won't hold my breath.
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« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2008, 01:45:AM »

Anyway, I do think that the Polish veneration for e.g. Cardinal Hlond is ridiculous.

Hlond in 1945 by force overtook the German eastern dioceses, forcing the new Archbishop Ferdinand Piontek (an ethnic German Upper Silesian) to flee, forcing the Bishop of Danzig to abdicate, forcing the (almost Blessed) bishop of the Ermeland Maximilian Kaller to resign (also an ethnic German in German provinces assigned to Poland as "compensation") etc. etc. Hlond committed by this near schismatical acts, as Pope Pius XII never gave him the authority to do so. In fact Pius XII, John XXIII and even for a time Paul VI refused to recognize the border shifts and the theft of eastern German lands (rich lands) in compensation for the Polish lost eastern (mostly Ukrainian-inhabited) provinces. Only in 1972 were Polish bishops in those sees recognized.

But Hlond also called for the civilian Germans to be expelled by force from Danzig etc. He was a Polish extremist, sadly.

He was a high priest of Jesus Christ, but not a worthy one, sadly.

There is no case known of any German bishop who during the Hitlerite regime called for the ethnic cleansing of the Posen province or West Prussia. On the contrary. The German bishops organized Polish sermons and special Masses as much as they could, even for Polish POWs and forced labourers.

But Cardinal Hlond (made Cardinal in 1927) did much wrong against the ethnic Germans.

Not so much against the Jews, I cannot imagine that. Before the war he might have used the typical anti-Jewish stereotypes, which all non-Jews used, not as racism, but because they were socially true often.

Do not forget that most Jews were saved by Poles (already under dire circumstances as the Nazi authorities provided little food and resources for the Polish populations) during the war, by Catholics that is.

That is what Jan Gross forgets, what Mr Abe Foxman forgets (he was saved by a Polish Catholic nanny of his, who had him baptized; Abe still recounts how he hated that he had to kneel in front of a priest giving the blessing while passing by; so prideful, of course Abe Foxman and the elect Jewish "race" are the ones the ADL would like us to kneel down before...) and what stupid Marxist and Liberalistic Westerners and Americans forget or simply don't know.

Most people, even academicians, know nothing about history. Nothing about details. Only the propaganda versions of course.

A problem of the Poles today is that they also defend the historical perversions by Polish imperialist and Polish-communist myths, e.g. that all Poles were to be exterminated (not true), or that the expulsion of 14 Million German civilians from the "new, wester, annexed" territories of Poland (now still in Poland, before 1945, legitimately 1990, part of the German Empire and ethnic German inhabited) was legitimate (2 million Germans died).

Hlond supported the expulsions. Not a nice way to act as a Christian. Not a nice way to die in 1948 while you are supporting the denial of basic human right to Germans. Not Christian, as we should love our enemies like ourselves, and the simple, ordinary Germans were not even enemies. Most in Silesia and the Ermeland were even pious Roman Catholics, like many Poles....

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„Ja, Ja, wie Gott es will. Gott lohne es Euch. Gott schütze das liebe Vaterland. Für Ihn weiterarbeiten... oh, Du lieber Heiland!” ("Yes, Yes, as God wills it. May God repay it to you. May God protect the dear fatherland. Go on working for him... oh, you dear Savior!") - Clemens August Cardinal von Galen, his last words.
mistman
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« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2008, 08:35:AM »

Poles have every right to dislike Jews: they signed up in mass for the Red Army which established an iron curtain over their nation for over 50 years. For me, this act of betrayal on the part of the Jews is particularly nauseating because of Poland's reputation as a tolerant haven for them in earlier  centuries. It shows me that Jews are grateful and loyal to no one. I hope this con-man rots in a prison cell. But don't worry you naughty European Jew, if you commit crimes over there, the USA has a lucrative, six figured salary at a prestigious university waiting for you right over here. Just ask your Russian Jewish brethren.
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