Proper use of the Propers

[Fractus]

I have just recently switched from praying the LOTH to praying the Office with the Monastic Diurnal, and I'm confused!  Yesterday and today, for the III Class feasts, the Proper of the Saints tells me: "In Lent, Commemoration only at Lauds" (no problem), and gives me an antiphon, a versicle, and a collect. I know where the collect goes, but my question is, which antiphon is it? For the 'Benedictus'? And where do I insert the versicle?

Thanks for any help!
-David

[jovan66102]

I have just recently switched from praying the LOTH to praying the Office with the Monastic Diurnal, and I'm confused!  Yesterday and today, for the III Class feasts, the Proper of the Saints tells me: "In Lent, Commemoration only at Lauds" (no problem), and gives me an antiphon, a versicle, and a collect. I know where the collect goes, but my question is, which antiphon is it? For the 'Benedictus'? And where do I insert the versicle?

Thanks for any help!
-David

 

Antiphon from Benedictus of the Proper of the Saint or Common, followed by the versicle and response from the same, followed by the Collect.

[Fractus]

Excellent! Thanks for the quick reply!

[jovan66102]

Excellent! Thanks for the quick reply!

 

No problem. I think you'll find the Traditional Office much more fulfilling.

[markadm]

Just to confirm, 'cause it could me misinterpeted otherwise, it is the "normal" Collect, then the commemorated Antiphon, versicle and collect, right?

[jovan66102]

Yes, and then the closing versicles.

[jovan66102]

And, BTW, if there is a Commemoration at Vespers, same rule: Magnificat antiphon, versicle and response from the Common or Proper for Vespers and the Collect.

[Fractus]

Okay, so I'm confused again. Sorry to be so dense, but the LOTH was not quite as complicated... Do I replace the antiphon, verse/response and collect from the common (or from the proper of the season) with the antiphon, verse/response and collect from the proper of the saints, or do I "double up" and say both?
-David

[Paul]

Here's how it would work for Passion Sunday this year. I'm actually not sure if the 1962 Rubrics permit commemorations on Sundays, but the older ones do, and it makes for a good example. Note that the conclusion (Per Dominum or its variations) is said only after the first and last collects.
 
In I Vespers
  [Psalms and Antiphons]
  Capitulum     Hebr. 9. 11.
 Fratres: Christus assistens Pontifex futurorum bonorum, per amplius et perfectius tabernaculum non manu factum, id est, non hujus creationis: neque per sanguinem hircorum aut vitulorum, sed per proprium sanguinem introivit semel in Sancta, æterna redemptione inventa. R. Deo gratias.
 Hymnus Vexilla regis.
 V. Eripe me, Domine, ab homine malo.
 R. A viro iniquo eripe me.
 Ant. Ego sum. [* qui testimonium perhibeo de meipso: et testimonium perhibet de me, qui misit me, Pater.]
 Magnificat. Gloria Patri. Sicut erat.
 Ant. Ego sum qui testimonium perhibeo de meipso: et testimonium perhibet de me, qui misit me, Pater.
 V. Dominus vobiscum.
 R. Et cum spiritu tuo.
 Oremus.
 Quæsumus, omnipotens Deus, familiam tuam propitius respice: ut, te largiente, regatur in corpore; et, te servante, custodiatur in mente.  Per Dominum.
 Et fit Commemoratio S. Franciscae Romanae Vid.:
 Ant. Simile est regnum cælorum homini negotiatori quærenti bonas margaritas: inventa una pretiosa, dedit omnia sua, et comparavit eam.
 V. Specie tua et pulchritudine tua.
 R. Intende, prospere procede, et regna.
 Oremus.
 Deus qui beatam Franciscam famulam tuam, inter cetera gratiæ tuæ dona, familiari Angeli consuetudine decorasti: concede, quæsumus; ut intercessionis ejus auxilio Angelorum consortium consequi mereamur.
 Deinde Commemoratio præcedentis:
 Ant. Hic vir, despiciens mundum et terrena, triumphans, divitias cælo condidit ore, manu.
 V. Justum deduxit Dominus per vias rectas.
 R. Et ostendit illi regnum Dei.
 Oremus.
 Deus, qui beatum Joannem, tuo amore succensum, inter flammas innoxium incedere fecisti, et per eum Ecclesiam tuam nova prole fÅ“cundasti: præsta, ipsius suffragantibus meritis; ut igne caritatis tuæ vitia nostra curentur, et remedia nobis æterna proveniant.  Per Dominum.
 V. Dominus vobiscum. R. Et cum spiritu tuo.
 V. Benedicamus Domino. R. Deo gratias.
 V. Fidelium animæ, per misericordiam Dei, requiescant in pace. R. Amen.
[Pater noster.]

[aquinas138]

The 1962 rubrics permit commemorations of II Class Feasts on II Class Sundays; anything lower is omitted.  On I Class Sundays (such as Passion Sunday), no commemorations are permitted - I Class feasts are transferred and II Class feasts omitted.

Sorry to get a little off topic, but having prayed with the '62 rubrics since the Ascension last year after a few months with the older rubrics, I have to say that the way commemorations are handled is one of the two weakest parts of the '62 rubrics.  The older system was actually easier, since if it occurred, it was almost always commemorated.  The '62 rubrics only permit one commemoration on I Class feasts (which must be privileged) and II Class feasts, and only two on III and IV Class days.

The other problem is obviously the shortening of Matins.  I can understand reducing the lessons on saint's days to a certain extent, but I think reducing the Sunday lessons (and particularly I Class Sundays!) was terrible and actually runs counter to the desire to privilege Sunday.  Even the Sundays per annum outrank the feasts of the Apostles, yet the Apostles' feasts retained the full three nocturns, whereas Sunday has just one.  It just seems like such a rushed reform - returning to at least Pius XII's reforms would be so much better; preferably we would go back to pre-1955 and take the good reforms that followed (like celebrating the Triduum offices at their proper times).