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Archbishop_10K
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« Reply #90 on: April 10, 2008, 12:36:AM »

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The affidavit, signed by Texas Ranger Leslie Brooks Long, also says a former member of the polygamist church told authorities details of the sect's activities -- including a bed inside the group's temple that adult men used to have sex with underage girls immediately after wedding ceremonies.

Couldn't these guys at least wait for dinner? Oh, wait, I can just see them now answering my question: "Heh, it's that 14-year old [expletive] that's for dinner!" *perverted wink, nudge*

God bless the Texas Rangers for pwning these perverts.
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Jenn
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« Reply #91 on: April 10, 2008, 01:54:AM »

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The children are being housed at the complex of Fort Concho and a second shelter opened Tuesday in nearby San Angelo, Texas. Established in 1867, Fort Concho is a 23-building national historic site where Army troops were stationed until 1889.


I was behind them until I read that. The kids are already scared out of their minds. So they take them away from their mothers too? That's just great. Being "housed" (what are they, lab rats?!) by the government is nearly as dangerous for their mental and spiritual welfare as the place they came from. I can just picture the suggestive grilling and "therapy" they will all be forced to go through. The little anatomically correct "dolls" they will be forced to "play" with so that they can point out where they have been "touched". The endless "bad touching vs good touching" workshops they will have to attend. The mental agony of being forced to reveal bad things about the parents that they love, in spite of everything.

If these kids aren't already badly messed up, they will be by the time the government gets through with them.
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NathanSoc
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« Reply #92 on: April 10, 2008, 02:11:AM »

Out of interest, does anyone know how old our most Blessed Virgin was when she gave birth to Our Lord? 18? 25?

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NathanSoc
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« Reply #93 on: April 10, 2008, 02:18:AM »

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The children are being housed at the complex of Fort Concho and a second shelter opened Tuesday in nearby San Angelo, Texas. Established in 1867, Fort Concho is a 23-building national historic site where Army troops were stationed until 1889.

In addition to the children, 139 adult women have voluntarily gone to the shelters. Meisner said the women are not in state custody and are free to leave at any time, although as of Wednesday afternoon none had.



Of course the women are free to leave... but not with their children... at least not until the authorities have completed their enquiries.

It's what is known as "spin".
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HMiS
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« Reply #94 on: April 10, 2008, 02:22:AM »

Quote from: Archbishop_10K


Couldn't these guys at least wait for dinner? Oh, wait, I can just see them now answering my question: "Heh, it's that 14-year old [expletive] that's for dinner!" *perverted wink, nudge*

God bless the Texas Rangers for pwning these perverts.

Go Texas! Go Texas!
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monkeysmom
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« Reply #95 on: April 10, 2008, 07:23:AM »

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Out of interest, does anyone know how old our most Blessed Virgin was when she gave birth to Our Lord? 18? 25?

What does that have to do with some perverted cult in Texas??    You're not really trying to compare the Holy Spirit to a pedophile and Our Lady to a rape/molestation victim?

I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone reading this thread.

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NathanSoc
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« Reply #96 on: April 10, 2008, 07:38:AM »

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And no, I am not defending polygamy.


By defending these people, and by suggesting that the government should not have raided this place, yes, in effect you are.

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It is a most foolish and unwise state of matrimony if you ask me.  


It is morally wrong, against natural law, and mortally sinful.  It is also illegal.

Now before you make any more arrogant and stupid pronouncements, I suggest you and others, just like yourself, read the following article from the National Catholic Reporter:

Aquinas on polygamy

Robert B. Fiser

The sad story narrated by Evans K. Chama in "The Christian cost of rooting out polygamy" (NCR, Sept. 17), about how Joseph Milimo's father was forced by a missionary to abandon his No. 2 wife so he could be baptized a Catholic, once more shows how seminarians sometimes did (and do) not learn their theology well.

The missionary had not studied well his scholastic theology or its history. An archbishop named Raymond of Toledo in 12th-century Muslim Spain organized a polyglot team of translators, including Muslims, Jews and Christians, to translate the works of Aristotle from Arabic into Latin. As a result of this broad-minded enterprise, there arose a great respect for Muslim scholars such as the Arab philosopher from Cordoba, Ibn Rushd, known to Europeans as Averroes. Yet how to explain that these scholars were polygamists?

In the 13th century, Thomas Aquinas noted this and the fact that the biblical patriarchs David and Solomon had several wives. How to explain that? Aquinas commented in his Sentences that the Franciscan Bonaventure had appealed to a divine dispensation from monogamy due to the situation of the times "to increase the number of believers." But that was nonsense to Aquinas. He said if there was any dispensation in favor of polygamy, it was because it was reasonable: It was not inconsistent with the primary purpose of marriage.

In Aquinas' Summa against the Gentiles, he developed his thought on the "three ends of marriage," later on to be taught as Catholic teaching on marriage. The test end is the bringing forth and the education of children. The second end is the common life enjoyed by the spouses. The third end is the sacramental sign given by the fidelity of one man to one woman. The last end, he said, was distinctly Christian. Of the three ends, only the third is ruled out by polygamy. The primary end is not compromised at all. The "scholastics judged the Christian form of marriage to be the optimal one, but polygamy was not intrinsically evil.

If Joseph Milimo's missionary had-known his theology, he would not have caused so much grief to him or to his mother. My point is this: Before authorities make public statements, even if they believe they are being obedient to recent Roman documents, they should seek the advice of theologians before they cause another gaffe that gives rise to ridicule of church magisterium.

(Fr.) ROBERT B. FISHER, SVD

Bay St. Louis, Miss.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1141/is_43_40/ai_n6250711/print


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StevusMagnus
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« Reply #97 on: April 10, 2008, 08:42:AM »

There was an anonymous phone call made supposedly from the compound with accusations of criminal activity.

To my knowledge there has not been any evidence found regarding criminal activity within the compound besides the phone calls alleging it.

Granted the beliefs of this sect are erroneous and odd, but I think we should withold judgment until the investigation is complete and any evidence comes to light.

I'm somewhat skeptical as I've heard that the police have been wanting in this compound for years but have never had a justifiable reason to enter.

They can't seem to find the girl who allegdly called. Hmm. Was the call staged to give them an excuse to get in? Can't say at this point. The thought crossed my mind though. Was the girl simply upset at the leader?

Also the terms "abuse" and "child" will be bandied about. These terms mean entirely different things in common usage and the usage in which the state and liberals mean them. Abuse to them is teaching kids any religion. A child is anyone under 18.

I agree with Alaric and NathanSoc in that it matters little to the state or the MSM whether this group are Mormons, Baptists, or Trad Catholics. We're all a bunch of prehistoric nutty throwbacks to them who need to go along with the program.


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StevusMagnus
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« Reply #98 on: April 10, 2008, 08:46:AM »

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What is sad, is that this Mormon cult will be abused by secularists and other liberals to prove that religion is dangerous, and they will feed this to the tube-enslaved consumerist foolish public masses, who will believe it and againt be prejudiced against all religion. They might also now consider traditional Roman Catholics with long skirts and priests in cassocks to be "weird and cultish, like those mormon polygamists". That is the psychological warfare behind this media-reported incident.

Exactly!! Nail on the head. This IS what will happen.
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StevusMagnus
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« Reply #99 on: April 10, 2008, 08:50:AM »

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Quote from: Archbishop_10K

The children are being housed at the complex of Fort Concho and a second shelter opened Tuesday in nearby San Angelo, Texas. Established in 1867, Fort Concho is a 23-building national historic site where Army troops were stationed until 1889.



I was behind them until I read that. The kids are already scared out of their minds. So they take them away from their mothers too? That's just great. Being "housed" (what are they, lab rats?!) by the government is nearly as dangerous for their mental and spiritual welfare as the place they came from. I can just picture the suggestive grilling and "therapy" they will all be forced to go through. The little anatomically correct "dolls" they will be forced to "play" with so that they can point out where they have been "touched". The endless "bad touching vs good touching" workshops they will have to attend. The mental agony of being forced to reveal bad things about the parents that they love, in spite of everything.

If these kids aren't already badly messed up, they will be by the time the government gets through with them.


Exactly! It's like a bad Law & Order episode.
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