More Kookiness from Hagee

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McCain Backer Hagee Said Hitler Was Fulfilling God’s Will
Sam Stein
The Huffington Post
May 21, 2008
 
John Hagee, the controversial evangelical leader and endorser of Sen. John McCain, argued in a late 1990s sermon that the Nazis had operated on God’s behalf to chase the Jews from Europe and shepherd them to Palestine. According to the Reverend, Adolph Hitler was a "hunter," sent by God, who was tasked with expediting God’s will of having the Jews re-establish a state of Israel.

Going in and out of biblical verse, Hagee preached: "‘And they the hunters should hunt them,’ that will be the Jews. ‘From every mountain and from every hill and from out of the holes of the rocks.’ If that doesn’t describe what Hitler did in the holocaust you can’t see that."

He goes on: "Theodore Hertzel is the father of Zionism. He was a Jew who at the turn of the 19th century said, this land is our land, God wants us to live there. So he went to the Jews of Europe and said ‘I want you to come and join me in the land of Israel.’ So few went that Hertzel went into depression. Those who came founded Israel; those who did not went through the hell of the holocaust.

"Then god sent a hunter. A hunter is someone with a gun and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter. And the Bible says — Jeremiah writing — ‘They shall hunt them from every mountain and from every hill and from the holes of the rocks,’ meaning there’s no place to hide. And that might be offensive to some people but don’t let your heart be offended. I didn’t write it, Jeremiah wrote it. It was the truth and it is the truth. How did it happen? Because God allowed it to happen. Why did it happen? Because God said my top priority for the Jewish people is to get them to come back to the land of Israel." (Listen to the audio below.)

The sermon, which was first posted by Bruce Wilson on his site, Talk To Action, adds another element to Hagee’s controversial stance on the state and history of Israel. It also may provide a new round of political headaches for McCain who has admitted that seeking out Hagee’s endorsement was a mistake, but still declared himself "glad to have" it.

John Hagee’s Ministries did not immediately return request for comment.
Since McCain secured the endorsement, both his campaign and Hagee have been pressed to explain a series of derogatory remarks the Reverend made about the Catholic Church, including his reference to the institution as "the Great Whore."

Hagee has since apologized for those remarks. But his interpretation of the role of the Nazis could be harder to dismiss, in part because McCain and Sen. Barack Obama are expected to compete heavily over the Jewish vote come the general election, in part because McCain has said he admires Hagee’s commitment to Israel, but mainly because similar theories have found their way into much of the Reverend’s writings.

As Wilson notes, in his 2006 book "Jerusalem Countdown", Hagee proposed the theory that "anti-Semitism, and thus the Holocaust, was the fault of Jews themselves — the result of an age old divine curse incurred by the ancient Hebrews through worshiping idols and passed, down the ages, to all Jews now alive." He also wrote that "Most readers will be shocked by the clear record of history linking Adolf Hitler and the Roman Catholic Church in a conspiracy to exterminate the Jews."

Hagee is considered, in many political circles, to be one of the most passionate and strident supporters of Israel. He has spoken at AIPAC conferences and leads the evangelical group Christians United for Israel. But his views of the country, while possibly shared by others in the evangelical community, can be, at times, startling. Holding to the belief that Armageddon will come to earth following the reestablishment of the Kingdom of Israel, Hagee has advocated an aggressive war against Iran and has opposed any Israeli military withdrawal from the West Bank.

McCain, at least in the public record, has sought to thread the needle with the Hagee association: distancing himself from the controversial comment while reaping the political benefits of the Reverend’s endorsement. Appearing on ABC’s "’This Week" in late April 2008, McCain criticized Hagee’s past remarks on the Catholic Church, but said that, "I admire and appreciate his advocacy for the state of Israel, the independence of the state of Israel."

[BlessedKarl]

Lol thats funny he should say more of this stuff in public. The mainstream media is so bleary and depressing. Nice to see that Hagee gives public speeches to amuse us and cheer us up. I mean thats why he's saying this stuff right? He's just trying to make us laugh a little ain't he? He should go on Fox news and talk to O'Hannity. The two of them acting like they know what their talking about on public television would be pretty hilarious.

[Cephas]

I don't understand what he is trying to say. He's not making much sense...

[DaveC]

Obviously, the burnt offering was acceptable since they got their state in 1948!  Hitler, friend of the Jews!

[anamchara]

John Hagee, the controversial evangelical leader and endorser of Sen. John McCain, argued in a late 1990s sermon that the Nazis had operated on God’s behalf to chase the Jews from Europe and shepherd them to Palestine.

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He goes on: "Theodore Hertzel is the father of Zionism. He was a Jew who at the turn of the 19th century said, this land is our land, God wants us to live there. So he went to the Jews of Europe and said ‘I want you to come and join me in the land of Israel.’ 

Interestingly enough, some revisionists have claimed that Zionists collaborated with the Nazis to expel Jews from Europe.  Indeed, the Nazis expropriated the term "Final Solution" from Zionists.  Hitler's program of ethnic cleansing made relocation to Palestine more palatable to the Jews.     

I don't know how much stock to put in the theory.  Suffice it to say politics makes for strange bedfellows.  If FDR could allow the "sneak attack" on Pearl Harbor and sacrifice U.S. servicemen to suck his fellow Americans into a cataclysmic war, then Zionists may well have betrayed their fellow Jews to advance the cause of Zionism. 

[DarkKnight]

Obviously, the burnt offering was acceptable since they got their state in 1948!  Hitler, friend of the Jews!

Dave,

I like the twisted humor in this statement - and it isn't even Monday!

[DaveC]

The Jews were betrayed by both the Communist and Zionist movements...no surprise, the leaders of these movements aren't Jews at all, but do lie...as St. John's Apocalypse tells us!

I've also heard the theories about Zionist collaboration with the Nazi's...even that they had the opportunity to save tens of thousands of Jews from being sent to concentration camps, but chose not to.  I haven't researched it much, but it's interesting.

[Distributist]

The Jews were betrayed by both the Communist and Zionist movements...no surprise, the leaders of these movements aren't Jews at all, but do lie...as St. John's Apocalypse tells us!

This is true, most are victims or dupes, like any other group!

I've also heard the theories about Zionist collaboration with the Nazi's...even that they had the opportunity to save tens of thousands of Jews from being sent to concentration camps, but chose not to. I haven't researched it much, but it's interesting.

There is a lot of traction to this, as it is Problem-action-solution mentality. Many of the guards were indeed Jews, either for some gain, life or food, or because of Zionism

Hitler himself cam from dubious roots:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler#Childhood_and_heritage

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alois_Hitler#Alois_Hitler.27s_biological_father

One of alleged grandfathers was a Rothschild:

Alois Hitler's biological father

Historians have discussed four candidates:

• Johann Georg Hiedler, who in his lifetime was the stepfather and later legally declared as the birth father.

• Johann Nepomuk Hiedler, Georg's brother and Hitler's step-uncle, who raised Hitler through adolescence and later willed him a considerable portion of his life savings but who (if he was the real father) never found it expedient to admit it publicly.

• Leopold Frankenberger, claimed by Hans Frank to have fathered Hitler when his mother Maria worked in the Frankenberger house as a maid in Graz, Austria.

• Salomon Mayer von Rothschild, claimed by various authors of dubious credibility (e.g. Hansjurgen Koehler, Walter C. Langer, Greg Hallett) to have fathered Hitler when his mother Maria worked in the Rothschild house as a maid in Vienna, Austria.
  

[Distributist]

My choice for President is 2008 is Chuck Baldwin. Though he is a Dispensationalist  he is definately NOT a Zionist and has spoken out against foreign aid for Israel, etc. Have read his columns and listended to his talks, definately not a Hagee!
http://www.baldwin2008.com/
http://www.chuckbaldwinforum.com/

[Distributist]

Lol thats funny he should say more of this stuff in public. The mainstream media is so bleary and depressing. Nice to see that Hagee gives public speeches to amuse us and cheer us up. I mean thats why he's saying this stuff right? He's just trying to make us laugh a little ain't he? He should go on Fox news and talk to O'Hannity. The two of them acting like they know what their talking about on public television would be pretty hilarious.

Hannity is largely a Zionist anyway.

BTW-the patron of my website (and hoepfully soon, advocacy group-once I get time to get IRS paperwork toegther) is Blessed Karl!!