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Baskerville
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« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2008, 12:05:AM »

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Yep it's pretty sad but I am also very cynical regarding this whole chivalry is dead issue.

My problem with "chivalry is dead" is that if that's true, chivalry has been dead for quite a few centuries. After all, Machiavelli's "The Prince" was published in 1532.

That's a good point ArchB 10K it seems it started dying out during the late renaissance(maybe a bit before) then the "enlightenment" didn't help and has just kept on puttering along until the 1970's bra burning feminists finally put the gun to it's head. Now I believe if a woman wants to work and vote or whatever that's great but when a woman wants to take over the mans role's and tell me that opening up a car door is too old fashioned and then complain to me about chivalry being dead she can go fly a kite.

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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2008, 12:07:AM »

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I think technology is a very interesting part of the equation. For thousands upon thousands of years, war involved people beating the crap out of each other with pointy sticks or sharp pieces of metal. The sort of thing at which men tend to excel. Then, a couple hundred years ago we start making guns, and now we have as our primary weapon something that can be used effectively by anyone. Men, women, children. Heck, even kittens.

True, there is even a knew microwave weapon the army is working on that can disable an enemy from like ten miles away or something like that.

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« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2008, 03:22:PM »

In the book, "Warriors of God", that discusses the third crusade, the author talks about the siege of acre. Saladin was impressed at a story of several female crusaders, dressed in full armor and armed with swords and bows, who fought against muslims. He executed any that were captured. At one point he even was brought a bow that belonged to a woman who stood her ground and continuously fired arrows at approaching Muslim soldiers until they reached her and killed her. So if the crusaders did it then whats wrong with women fighting muslim radicals?

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« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2008, 03:29:PM »

I think Women can fight under a few circumstaces, as long as they don't crack on the battlefield and engage in procreating with men while on duty [and off-duty in obvious situations].
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« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2008, 08:22:PM »

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In the book, "Warriors of God", that discusses the third crusade, the author talks about the siege of acre. Saladin was impressed at a story of several female crusaders, dressed in full armor and armed with swords and bows, who fought against muslims. He executed any that were captured. At one point he even was brought a bow that belonged to a woman who stood her ground and continuously fired arrows at approaching Muslim soldiers until they reached her and killed her. So if the crusaders did it then whats wrong with women fighting muslim radicals?

The Crusaders were not morally infallable.

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« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2008, 11:41:PM »

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What of St. Joan of Arc? God calls both men and women to fight for him, spiritually, mentally and even sometimes physically. So why can't women fight against the forces of Islamic radicalism?


St. Joan was an exception (having received a direct revelation from God to do something the Church and society at large found typically reprehensible), but exceptions do not disprove a rule.  The fact that we find her example to be so exceptional proves this point.

I still stand by my position. What element of society is in greater need and worthiness of our protection, as men, than our wives, mothers, sisters, and daughters?  Putting them in harm's way does not do anything for their protection.

In the liturgy, sacred things are veiled: the tabernacle, the chalice, ciboria, the monstrance, and women.  We men should view women as sacred in a way that we are not, for they are bearers of life and the promise of future generations.  If we seek to place such a valuable element of our society on the front lines, then we obviously don't have a society that is very much worth protecting.

And regarding the crusader example and fighting against "radical Islam" (a far smaller threat than radical Zionism, in my opinion), the United States and Great Britain aren't fighting radical Islam, anyway.  They're fighting politically and economically motivated wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, not religiously motivated.  If eliminating radical Islam were the motive, these countries would be at war with Saudi Arabia, which practices a far more radical form of Islam than found in most other Muslim countries.  But the US and UK aren't religiously motivated in the wars they fight.  If they cared about religion, they would be reclaiming their Christian identities at home.  The so-called "War on Terror" or war on radical Islam is not a Crusade, and it's an affront to the original Crusaders to use the term in such a reference.
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« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2008, 11:49:PM »

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I can definitely see where you're coming from, but on the other hand, it also seems like the natural consequence of women's suffrage and the equal rights movement. Equal rights lead to equal responsibilities, including the possibility of women's conscription.

Of course, the original intent of the Founding Fathers was for voters to be essentially made up of the movers and shakers in society, i.e. property-owning Anglo-Saxon males. I can see some of the merits in that, despite not owning any land or being fully Anglo-Saxon myself.

Well, I definitely don't think suffrage should be universal, because I think most people don't have any clue about why they're voting for Candidate X other than because they find him charismatic and because he says some appealing things here or there.  There should be some sort of education and current events awareness requirement.  That's essentially why voting was originally limited to landowners; because they were the most educated class.

I'm not sure I'm in favor of women's suffrage, anyway.  I mean, look at these girls at my alma mater!
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« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2008, 01:52:AM »

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I think technology is a very interesting part of the equation. For thousands upon thousands of years, war involved people beating the crap out of each other with pointy sticks or sharp pieces of metal. The sort of thing at which men tend to excel. Then, a couple hundred years ago we start making guns, and now we have as our primary weapon something that can be used effectively by anyone. Men, women, children. Heck, even kittens.

But combat is not primarily about shooting people.  My nephew served for a year in Afghanistan in 2002-2003 and he hardly fired a shot.  However, he did yomp over mountain ranges, carry 120lb packs with machine guns and ammo, kick down doors, search houses and tell Afghan men to get out of their home while his unit searched it.  One Afghan tried to steal his stuff and he held a knife to the man's throat to get it back.  That was a close as he ever came to killing someone.

What Afghan man is going to take orders from a woman or have a knife held to his throat by a woman?

Even if the woman is operating a drone from an air-conditioned bunker in Las Vegas, common sense and experience should tell you that they are not suited as well as men even to this task.  My two boys aged 7 and 3 love fighting with swords and boxing with me.  They love the battle scenes in the Lord of the Rings movies and want to re-enact them either fighting as Hobbits or Orcs.  My girls have absolutely no natural interest in fighting at all, though I've done nothing to encourage or discourage either.  The boys are also MUCH better at playing video games (on the rare occasion that they get the chance at other people's houses).

Finally, you also have to consider that any front line unit comprised mainly of men need to share basic toilet facilities (often open air), washing facilities etc.  The conversations between these men get pretty bawdy much of the time.  They are away from wives and girlfriends for months at a time and we seriously want to throw female soldiers into that mix?  That is just asking for trouble.
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« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2008, 07:08:AM »

http://media.peroutka2004.com/speeches/nominating_speech-doug_phillips.mp3

Good talk 6/04, mentions this topic well
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« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2008, 07:10:AM »

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It is a sure sign of an ailing and twisted society when we encourage our women to put themselves in harm's way.  Our women and our children are the very ones whom we men should always seek to protect.  Alas, chivalry is truly dead in the West.


True, started to die with Neocon fore-runner Lincoln and his military/industrial warmongers.

No Gentleman like General Lee anymore.
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