SSPX Confirms Existence of Vatican Offer

[Quo_Vadis_Petre]

As it is right now, the Vatican is feeling more or less content with the modern world, other than decrying a few things here and there. No Catholic Action, just support for the American idea of religious pluralism. I as much want the SSPX to join Rome, but not at the cost of keeping quiet about these aberrations.

[PeterII]

"Most people want a reverent Mass and sound preaching. They care little for the loftier theological arguments"

This statement is the clearest explanation of "neo-conservative" Catholic thinking that I have ever heard. I have to wonder if Father Z espouses this viewpoint himself, or if he is just commenting on some ordinary folks in the pews.

I'd accept it as a first step.

I acknowledge that other things need to fall into place, but perhaps those will follow from the Graces received from appropriate Masses and powerful Sacraments?

Many people do not enjoy access to the chapels, oratories, etc. that many here appear to attend. Our parishes are clown masses with transvestite nuns. Sometimes the smugness of those here who have been blessed is absolutely palpable to those of us who are trying to keep things together where we are. Our reward is to be labeled "Neo-Con" by the Blessed.

To simply have access to valid TLMs exceeds many of our humble dreams.

Perhaps it is time to climb down from the ivory tower and begin mucking out the mess of 50 years rather than worrying abou soiling the purple silks.

Those powerful sacraments and masses did not stop the innovations from happening to begin with.  If you have a problem with the clown masses and transvestite nuns, then do what many other Traditionalists have done: get up and leave (and maybe even give them the one finger salute on your way out).  Either find a reverent mass somewhere else, or pray at home on Sundays if it the first option is unfeasible. That is your duty of state.  If you want to play in the mud, you are going to get dirty yourself.    

[Traditio]

As it is right now, the Vatican is feeling more or less content with the modern world, other than decrying a few things here and there. No Catholic Action, just support for the American idea of religious pluralism. I as much want the SSPX to join Rome, but not at the cost of keeping quiet about these aberrations.

[PeterII]

You speak as if Archbishop Lefebvre could accept the FSSP's adhering to Ecclessia Dei, which states that Lefebvre has an erroneous notion of Tradition in contradiction to that of JPII's. As if.

What I am saying is that Lefebvre would have never considered a traditionalist group a parasite or modernist cop-out if they didn't have him as their fearless leader. That level of arrogance and self-righteousness is not something I wish to ascribe to him.

God bless,
JRS

I wonder, did the Archbishop ever say anything on the FSSP before he died? I don't think he accepted those who compromised with the new Missal from what I've read. I mean, he did say the new missal was intrinsically evil.

This quote from Archbishop Lefebvre in ggreg's post will affirm your point:

"After all, we must be charitable, we must be kind, we must not be divisive, after all, they are celebrating the Tridentine Mass, they are not as bad as everyone says" —but THEY ARE BETRAYING US —betraying us! They are shaking hands with the Church's destroyers. They are shaking hands with people holding modernist and liberal ideas condemned by the Church. So they are doing the devil's work.

I suppose I was rather lenient with my parasite comment. 

[finegan]

DarkKnight,

I'm sorry, you seem like a good guy, but I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say. Can you clarify?

Thanks,
Finegan

[Joshua]

This quote from Archbishop Lefebvre in ggreg's post will affirm your point:

"After all, we must be charitable, we must be kind, we must not be divisive, after all, they are celebrating the Tridentine Mass, they are not as bad as everyone says" —but THEY ARE BETRAYING US —betraying us! They are shaking hands with the Church's destroyers. They are shaking hands with people holding modernist and liberal ideas condemned by the Church. So they are doing the devil's work.

I suppose I was rather lenient with my parasite comment.

Frankly I doubt the authenticity of that quote as it seems maniacal and rash. However if it is authentic, then both his comment and yours, Peter II, are just as vile and irrational.

God bless,
JRS

[Joshua]

DarkKnight,

I'm sorry, you seem like a good guy, but I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say. Can you clarify?

Thanks,
Finegan

In other words [referring to the Society], "Quit your sh$@, change your huggies, pick up a shovel and get crackin' Nancy!"




God bless,
JRS

[PeterII]

This quote from Archbishop Lefebvre in ggreg's post will affirm your point:

"After all, we must be charitable, we must be kind, we must not be divisive, after all, they are celebrating the Tridentine Mass, they are not as bad as everyone says" —but THEY ARE BETRAYING US —betraying us! They are shaking hands with the Church's destroyers. They are shaking hands with people holding modernist and liberal ideas condemned by the Church. So they are doing the devil's work.

I suppose I was rather lenient with my parasite comment.

Frankly I doubt the authenticity of that quote as it seems maniacal and rash. However if it is authentic, then both his comment and yours, Peter II, are just as vile and irrational.

God bless,
JRS

Unless of course, you are wrong, and Archbishop Lefebvre is right. What ever happened to the Church Militant?

[Joshua]

What ever happened to the Church Militant?

Nothing, that I know of.

A rarely mentioned, yet ever-populous, 4th is the Church Moronic.

God bless,
JRS

[Tradglad]

     Well The SSPX has until the 28th. Deadlines have consequences. Bishops Fellay and Williamson  have misjudged and misplayed their hands. This is NOT JPII but His Holiness, Pope Benedict XVI. The SSPX thinks their are the Clantons and The Pope is Wyatt Earp. I got news for the Boys from Econe, new sheriff in town.....and He isnt playing the way you hope.