Bishop Williamson on "the conditions"

[Joshua]

Rumors abound once more: before the end of June, in other words in a few days' time, either the Society of St. Pius X will begin to give way to Rome's demands to conform to Vatican II and the New Mass, or Rome will declare to Church and world that the Society and its followers are in formal schism and out of the Church.

What is he raving about? This has been mentioned by numerous doom-and-gloom characters on this forum as well, but there is not one syllable mentioning anything in regard to VII or the Novus Ordo.

What is he seeing in those 5 conditions, that refer to nothing more than respect for the Petrine Office?

God bless,
JRS

[Cephas]

I'm going to wait until all the info is disclosed. The possibility of other terms cannot be discounted until June 28, 2008, when the decision is made.

[finegan]

"...in other words in a few days' time, either the Society of St. Pius X will begin to give way to Rome's demands to conform to Vatican II and the New Mass..."

I'd say any effect these conditions would have on suppressing open, public criticism of modernism is, indeed, the starting point of conforming to Vatican II.

[NorthernTrad]

Cardinal Hoyos says:

The Society was, the juridical personality of the Society, was cancelled by the Church, but they are, in their language, auxiliary bishops. We hope that they will come to the full communion with the Church. But some people are going too fast to schism and to the heresy, because if they begin to be teachers of the Pope, this is no schism, this is heresy. And if it is confirmed, people going with that kind of movement will be excommunicated, too, because of the heresy. But now, they are not really in schism or heresy.

So the SSPX is neither in schism nor in heresy. Although now Hoyos makes me wonder if St. Paul is a heretic for rebuking St. Peter.

How hillarious and simultaneously absurd for Cardinal Hoyos, a Novus Ordite, to even talk as if Catholics could be the ones in heresy or schism.

[katoliko]

[matthew_talbot]

Originally Posted by PeterII


Cardinal Hoyos says:

Quote:

The Society was, the juridical personality of the Society, was cancelled by the Church, but they are, in their language, auxiliary bishops. We hope that they will come to the full communion with the Church. But some people are going too fast to schism and to the heresy, because if they begin to be teachers of the Pope, this is no schism, this is heresy. And if it is confirmed, people going with that kind of movement will be excommunicated, too, because of the heresy. But

Cardinal Castrillon's claim of the SSPX asserting themselves as "teachers of The Pope" is as H.E. Bishop Williamson pointed out, Just another instance of the stick being applied rather than the carrot. In situations such as this we do indeed have St. Paul as an example. We also have Athanasius, Bellarmine and Aquinas. Pretty good company.

[Baskerville]

Can you still be a member of the True Faith if Peter says "You're cut off!"?

Yes, St Paul resisted St Peter over Judaising and there have been scores of Saints that have been excommunicated only later to be canonized like St Athanasius. The FAITH isn't the Pope The Faith is the faith and the Pope is subject to the FAITH he can't just change teachings of the church because it might be nice to "throw open windows to the modern world" or to make heretics REAL heretics feel better about themselves.

[Credo]

The FAITH isn't the Pope

This is one of the double-edged swords which comes with the personality cults which modern popes, most famously John Paul II, have embraced. On of the one hand it strengthens Christians loyalty to the pope, however when that pope does something against the Faith (e.g.: Assisi), the faithful are torn.

[Dauphin]

I can't believe some people here are praising Williamson's post.

That's some of the most deluded trash I've ever read. Rome requires what's required of every Catholic, and his excellency sees it as a sellout to modernism. He's grasping at straws to try to justify his rejection of the conditions. He repeats the same lines he's been using for twenty years, but they're clearly hollow and in denial of the facts. Rome doesn't require them to abandon Tradition. Period.

The reality is that Williamson revels in being outside the Church. He takes pleasure in the society's continued state of separation. He enjoys mocking "newchurch" from the outside, and will find any reason to remain in his comfortable position. I hate to imagine what his punishment will be for stubbornly dragging so many souls into schism.

[Dauphin]

"...in other words in a few days' time, either the Society of St. Pius X will begin to give way to Rome's demands to conform to Vatican II and the New Mass..."

I'd say any effect these conditions would have on suppressing open, public criticism of modernism is, indeed, the starting point of conforming to Vatican II.

They require charity. That's it. Charity and respect from Bishop Fellay, and this is too much for the society.

What a bunch of jokers.