Bishop Williamson on "the conditions"

[Quo_Vadis_Petre]

Oh, please quiet about the so-called schism of the Society. Cardinal Hoyos has called the SSPX neither schismatic nor heretical. So stop pontificating about Bishop Williamson's motives and those of the SSPX.

BTW, it is charitable to point out the Pope's faults, and that is what the Society is doing. Don't tell me or others otherwise, because it is a spiritual work of mercy.

[Dauphin]

Oh, please quiet about the so-called schism of the Society. Cardinal Hoyos has called the SSPX neither schismatic nor heretical. So stop pontificating about Bishop Williamson's motives and those of the SSPX.

BTW, it is charitable to point out the Pope's faults, and that is what the Society is doing. Don't tell me or others otherwise, because it is a spiritual work of mercy.

They're not officially in schism now, but a formal declaration will be coming.

The SSPX are so thoroughly in schism with the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, that they can't even accept the most basic conditions for charity and respect towards the Roman Pontiff.

How can these people call themselves Catholic? Not a single doctrinal concession is required. It's their pride alone which keeps them from being reconciled to the Church.

[Quo_Vadis_Petre]

Oh, please quiet about the so-called schism of the Society. Cardinal Hoyos has called the SSPX neither schismatic nor heretical. So stop pontificating about Bishop Williamson's motives and those of the SSPX.

BTW, it is charitable to point out the Pope's faults, and that is what the Society is doing. Don't tell me or others otherwise, because it is a spiritual work of mercy.

They're not officially in schism now, but a formal declaration will be coming.

The SSPX are so thoroughly in schism with the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, that they can't even accept the most basic conditions for charity and respect towards the Roman Pontiff.

How can these people call themselves Catholic? Not a single doctrinal concession is required. It's their pride alone which keeps them from being reconciled to the Church.

Asserting the SSPX in schism again? Boy are you off. You are going against the President of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei in spouting off this nonsense and calumny against the SSPX. And even soothsay about their motives. Very charitable of you indeed.

[Dauphin]

Oh, please quiet about the so-called schism of the Society. Cardinal Hoyos has called the SSPX neither schismatic nor heretical. So stop pontificating about Bishop Williamson's motives and those of the SSPX.

BTW, it is charitable to point out the Pope's faults, and that is what the Society is doing. Don't tell me or others otherwise, because it is a spiritual work of mercy.

They're not officially in schism now, but a formal declaration will be coming.

The SSPX are so thoroughly in schism with the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, that they can't even accept the most basic conditions for charity and respect towards the Roman Pontiff.

How can these people call themselves Catholic? Not a single doctrinal concession is required. It's their pride alone which keeps them from being reconciled to the Church.

Asserting the SSPX in schism again? Boy are you off. You are going against the President of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei in spouting off this nonsense and calumny against the SSPX. And even soothsay about their motives. Very charitable of you indeed.

Cardinal Castrillon was discussing the condition of the SSPX for a different time.

Now that it's clear that the SSPX is refusing even to publically respect the person of the Roman Pontiff, they clearly aren't serious about reconciliation, and are pretty obviously in schism. It's only a matter of time before it's made formal.

[Quo_Vadis_Petre]

Oh, please quiet about the so-called schism of the Society. Cardinal Hoyos has called the SSPX neither schismatic nor heretical. So stop pontificating about Bishop Williamson's motives and those of the SSPX.

BTW, it is charitable to point out the Pope's faults, and that is what the Society is doing. Don't tell me or others otherwise, because it is a spiritual work of mercy.

They're not officially in schism now, but a formal declaration will be coming.

The SSPX are so thoroughly in schism with the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, that they can't even accept the most basic conditions for charity and respect towards the Roman Pontiff.

How can these people call themselves Catholic? Not a single doctrinal concession is required. It's their pride alone which keeps them from being reconciled to the Church.

Asserting the SSPX in schism again? Boy are you off. You are going against the President of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei in spouting off this nonsense and calumny against the SSPX. And even soothsay about their motives. Very charitable of you indeed.

Cardinal Castrillon was discussing the condition of the SSPX for a different time.

Now that it's clear that the SSPX is refusing even to publically respect the person of the Roman Pontiff, they are pretty obviously in schism. It's only a matter of time before it's made formal.

To even imply such a thing is incredible. The SSPX has always respected the Petrine Office and even the person occupying the Office, even while respectfully stating that he is still imprisoned by Modernist thinking. Therefore, it is not so clear, and I think your prediction will fall quite off the mark.

[Dauphin]

Oh, please quiet about the so-called schism of the Society. Cardinal Hoyos has called the SSPX neither schismatic nor heretical. So stop pontificating about Bishop Williamson's motives and those of the SSPX.

BTW, it is charitable to point out the Pope's faults, and that is what the Society is doing. Don't tell me or others otherwise, because it is a spiritual work of mercy.

They're not officially in schism now, but a formal declaration will be coming.

The SSPX are so thoroughly in schism with the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, that they can't even accept the most basic conditions for charity and respect towards the Roman Pontiff.

How can these people call themselves Catholic? Not a single doctrinal concession is required. It's their pride alone which keeps them from being reconciled to the Church.

Asserting the SSPX in schism again? Boy are you off. You are going against the President of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei in spouting off this nonsense and calumny against the SSPX. And even soothsay about their motives. Very charitable of you indeed.

Cardinal Castrillon was discussing the condition of the SSPX for a different time.

Now that it's clear that the SSPX is refusing even to publically respect the person of the Roman Pontiff, they are pretty obviously in schism. It's only a matter of time before it's made formal.

To even imply such a thing is incredible. The SSPX has always respected the Petrine Office and even the person occupying the Office, even while respectfully stating that he is still imprisoned by Modernist thinking. Therefore, it is not so clear, and I think your prediction will fall quite off the mark.

Bishop Williamson calls him "insane", and Bishop Fellay calls him "perfectly liberal". These aren't charitable comments, respectful of the Roman Pontiff.

If they can't agree to cease and desist the public name-calling and work charitably on doctrinal issues, they're clearly not serious about unity with the Church. They're an entity entirely distinct from it; a schismatic group.

[Quo_Vadis_Petre]

Oh, please quiet about the so-called schism of the Society. Cardinal Hoyos has called the SSPX neither schismatic nor heretical. So stop pontificating about Bishop Williamson's motives and those of the SSPX.

BTW, it is charitable to point out the Pope's faults, and that is what the Society is doing. Don't tell me or others otherwise, because it is a spiritual work of mercy.

They're not officially in schism now, but a formal declaration will be coming.

The SSPX are so thoroughly in schism with the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, that they can't even accept the most basic conditions for charity and respect towards the Roman Pontiff.

How can these people call themselves Catholic? Not a single doctrinal concession is required. It's their pride alone which keeps them from being reconciled to the Church.

Asserting the SSPX in schism again? Boy are you off. You are going against the President of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei in spouting off this nonsense and calumny against the SSPX. And even soothsay about their motives. Very charitable of you indeed.

Cardinal Castrillon was discussing the condition of the SSPX for a different time.

Now that it's clear that the SSPX is refusing even to publically respect the person of the Roman Pontiff, they are pretty obviously in schism. It's only a matter of time before it's made formal.

To even imply such a thing is incredible. The SSPX has always respected the Petrine Office and even the person occupying the Office, even while respectfully stating that he is still imprisoned by Modernist thinking. Therefore, it is not so clear, and I think your prediction will fall quite off the mark.

Bishop Williamson calls him "insane", and Bishop Fellay calls him "perfectly liberal". These aren't charitable comments, respectful of the Roman Pontiff.

If they can't agree to cease and desist the public name-calling and work charitably on doctrinal issues, they're clearly not serious about unity with the Church. They're an entity entirely distinct from it; a schismatic group.

You're quoting them out of context, and even if you're not, they're just calling it as they see it, while still respecting the Petrine Office. There were lots of people previously in the past who had conflicts with Popes, with some unfortunate name-calling, but never been called schismatic for it.

And anyways, just about a month ago, Pope Benedict XVI praised the American model of religious pluralism. That isn't exactly a traditional action. And even now, in a few days, he's going to have an Orthodox prelate doing a blessing with him in the Mass he will celebrate. That too isn't an orthodox action.

[Dauphin]

And anyways, just about a month ago, Pope Benedict XVI praised the American model of religious pluralism. That isn't exactly a traditional action. And even now, in a few days, he's going to have an Orthodox prelate doing a blessing with him in the Mass he will celebrate. That too isn't an orthodox action.

What excuse does this offer for refusing basic conditions of charity and respect and an honest progress towards doctrinal reconciliation? The society isn't being asked to abandon any article of the faith. They're being asked for those things which would be expected of any Catholic.

There's simply no excuse left. The state of necessity is gone.

[Quo_Vadis_Petre]

And anyways, just about a month ago, Pope Benedict XVI praised the American model of religious pluralism. That isn't exactly a traditional action. And even now, in a few days, he's going to have an Orthodox prelate doing a blessing with him in the Mass he will celebrate. That too isn't an orthodox action.

What excuse does this offer for refusing basic conditions of charity and respect and an honest progress towards doctrinal reconciliation? The society isn't being asked to abandon any article of the faith. They're being asked for those things which would be expected of any Catholic.

There's simply no excuse left. The state of necessity is gone.

I very much doubt the state of necessity is gone. And I won't go about predicting the formal declaration that the SSPX is in schism til I see it. And I'm very much thinking that the status quo will go on, rather than what you predict concerning this.

[karyn_anne]

I see no reason to rejoice at the Bishop's "excommunications" as Bp. Williamson put it, though they be a sign of an adherence to traditionalism that is absent nowdays.

But i would rather be formally known as a schismatic and to follow what is true then to be forced to acknowledge the Novus Ordo/Vatican 2 as acceptable in my bid to be 'restored' back.