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Author Topic: Pope to Reintroduce Latin into the Novus Ordo and Move the "Sign of Peace"  (Read 2756 times)
SalvaPorta
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« Reply #40 on: July 04, 2008, 11:39:AM »



I would prefer to avoid the glad handing like the plague, especially when someone has been blowing their snotty nose on a tissue,  or coughing all over the place. yuk!
In the  cold months winter though give me a good excuse to  keep my gloves on if I have to shake someones hand.  
Perhaps I should buy a pair of cotton lace gloves for summer months.

 
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Catholicmilkman
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« Reply #41 on: July 04, 2008, 11:50:AM »

Quote from: Dauphin
Quote from: NorthernTrad
The problem in the Church is a dogmatic one, not a liturgical one.  Discipline stems from doctrine.  Fix the doctrine, and the liturgy will fall in place.  Until that happens it's just smells and bells.  I'm sure the Arian masses looked Catholic too, moreso than the Novus Ordo ever will, but that didn't make it okay for Catholics to go.
What happened to Lex Orandi Lex Credendi? Lex Orandi comes first for a reason.
You are both right I think. The Prayer and Doctrine must be changed as the same time but I think changing the Law of Prayer first will make it easier for most, for it will induce them to convert to and follow the Law of Faith. The Catholic Lex Orandi must obey the Catholic Lex Credendi but the Lex Credendi will follow the Lex Orandi. If you pray as a Protestant you are Protestant. If you're a Catholic you will pray as a Catholic.
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VetusOrdo
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« Reply #42 on: July 04, 2008, 12:33:PM »

This "reintroduction" doesn't really mean anything. It's just an attempt to make things seem more "traditional", not an attempt to restore the Faith. It doesn't matter if the priest says the consecration formula in Latin or the sign of peace be moved to another part of the Liturgy if at the same time, he is allowed and even encouraged to preach from the pulpit that the protestants and the orthodox are in communion with the Church!

By the way, it strikes me as kind of odd for the priest to say the whole "Canon" in the vernacular and aloud (if you can still call that Novus Ordo stripped off version the Canon of the Mass) and then proceed to say the consecration in Latin. If there's any good in this whole story, it's just to see how the liberals will rant about these changes that will "disrupt the people's participation in the Liturgy" and how the neo-cats will enthusiastically support them (the changes), saying how "traditional and in line with Vatican II thinking" they are! At least it will be amusing!

Now, seriously, Faith and Doctrine must be restored in full force. The ecumenical frenzy must be stopped and done away with. Vatican II must be severely corrected or perhaps thrown into the trash. It's as simple as that. The fact is that the Pope doesn't want any of this. The rest is just pure illusion and cosmetic changes.

The Holy Mass will come back in all its glory as it was before the Liturgical Movement messed up with it. So help us God!
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mike6240
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« Reply #43 on: July 04, 2008, 12:34:PM »

Quote from: SalvaPorta


I would prefer to avoid the glad handing like the plague, especially when someone has been blowing their snotty nose on a tissue,  or coughing all over the place. yuk!
In the  cold months winter though give me a good excuse to  keep my gloves on if I have to shake someones hand.  
Perhaps I should buy a pair of cotton lace gloves for summer months.

 

I agree whole heartedly with the glove issue, even for men.  Perhaps a look back to a by-gone era wouldn't be so bad :

http://home.earthlink.net/~gchristen/Etiquette.html
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DrBombay
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« Reply #44 on: July 04, 2008, 02:45:PM »

Another thing to be concerned about with re-locating the Sign of Peace is that it might be made a mandatory part of the Mass. As it stands now, it's optional.  I've noticed some priests drop it altogether, though most of those seem to be the younger ones.   Most right thinking priests will skip it anyway, so I say just leave it be and it will eventually whither and die, due to terminal banality.
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MeaMaximaCulpa
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« Reply #45 on: July 06, 2008, 04:47:PM »

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The Holy Mass will come back in all its glory as it was before the Liturgical Movement messed up with it. So help us God!

While I mostly agree VO, I wouldn't do away with the whole Liturgical Movement.  If one looks at the origins of the movement, it would clearly begin with Pope St. Pius X (and his revisions certainly weren't modernistic).  Certainly, the goal of the movement: to help the faithful understand the Liturgy, is not an un-Catholic ideal.

Granted, the movement was effectively stalled when the focus changed from helping people understand the Liturgy to dramatically changing it.  Hopefully it will get back on track soon.
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MeaMaximaCulpa
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« Reply #46 on: July 06, 2008, 05:02:PM »

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Another thing to be concerned about with re-locating the Sign of Peace is that it might be made a mandatory part of the Mass. As it stands now, it's optional.  I've noticed some priests drop it altogether, though most of those seem to be the younger ones.   Most right thinking priests will skip it anyway, so I say just leave it be and it will eventually whither and die, due to terminal banality.

I don't know how I feel about moving the Sign of Peace, because it represents an even further departure from the Tridentine Mass.  As others have said, a similar Sign of Peace does occur in the Tridentine after the Libera nos.  This ordering is retained somewhat in the NO (although I believe the Libera nos is abbreviated).  Apparently, the ordering is different in the Ambrosian Rite, but I'm not familiar with the the ordering.

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