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Author Topic: Wasting time "Discerning about discerning?"  (Read 2639 times)
Quaesumus
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« on: July 11, 2008, 06:07:PM »

The thought came to me today, though it comes to me a lot, that we seem these days to be obsessed with covering all our bases and then labeling it "discernment."

When you read the Lives of the Saints, isn't it striking and inspiring that these folks were running to monasteries and the priesthood at 16, 17, 18 years old, and here we are, in a day where we supposedly have thing worked out much better, waiting until we're 30 and 35 years old before even taking a step in any direction, and then when it gets hard we pull out and say "I 'discerned' that it wasn't God's will."

Those folks that ran to the monasteries and priesthood  without much undo deliberation are now saints. Why are we surprised that none of us are able to live a life of heroic virtue? Because we seem to be content with lukewarmness and base-covering. As Napoleon said, God will have nothing less than the entire human heart. Without that, you're not even discerning.

That's my two cents anyway. I'm just frustrated with how people (myself included) waste away years and years discerning about discerning, without having ever just gone ahead and done it, trusting in Providence and expecting it to be a little difficult and tasteless.

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Credo
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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2008, 07:08:PM »

I understand the frustration. That being said, the Saints of yesteryear, like the greater population around them, could not really expect to live past 35-40ys old. As such, one really did not have a whole lot of time to deliberate. Of course we also have so many more distractions around us these days.

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Tiny
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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2008, 07:18:PM »

We pamper our young adults; kids used to go to work at age 8.

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Joey731
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« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2008, 07:29:PM »

If anyone is interested, The Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius includes guidelines for discerning spirits and choosing a state in life.

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Archbishop_10K
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« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2008, 07:43:PM »

I'm not discerning anything; I'm just stuck in a state of involuntary celibacy.
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Catholicmilkman
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« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2008, 07:44:PM »

Quote from: Quaesumus
That's my two cents anyway. I'm just frustrated with how people (myself included) waste away years and years discerning about discerning, without having ever just gone ahead and done it, trusting in Providence and expecting it to be a little difficult and tasteless.
I'm frustrated too but then for a real good reason, I think anyway. I don't know who is right and therefore I don't know where to go in to; SSPX, FSSP, or diocesan seminary? My first choice would be the SSPX but then I disagree with them on Vatican II somewhat and I'm not 100% sure they're right on the new missal though for the moment I do believe so.

The crisis is for sure reason why so many Catholic youth are not running into the religious and/or priestly life, you can bet on that. I wonder sometimes who can blame them when they'd have to deal with such bad superiors.
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Catholic777
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« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2008, 07:46:PM »

I see what you're saying, but I wouldnt glorify early entrance for moderns. It was certainly a nice feature of the medieval world, but times (and people) are simply different now, for better or worse.

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Tiny
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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2008, 07:55:PM »

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The crisis is for sure reason why so many Catholic youth are not running into the religious and/or priestly life, you can bet on that. I wonder sometimes who can blame them when they'd have to deal with such bad superiors.


I'm working my way through "Goodbye Good men"; I have no doubts now that we do not have a vocations crisis; the liberal modernists do. I.E. Homosexual, feminist, effeminate, modernist, liberals actively discourage vocations, and those that do go through the process are "constructively dismissed".  That is to say, charges and excuses are drummed up to dismiss orthodox students.
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Credo
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« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2008, 08:00:PM »

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The crisis is for sure reason why so many Catholic youth are not running into the religious and/or priestly life, you can bet on that. I wonder sometimes who can blame them when they'd have to deal with such bad superiors.

When I was in Novus Ordo Land (e.g.: youth group, catchiest, alter serving -the whole nine yards - not bad things at all mind you, but nevertheless all imbued with a certain "modern" mindset), I distinctly remember thinking on multiple occasions how horrible it must be for the priest to have to deal with parish councils, bishops who come down on priests following the least trivial, ego-driven complaint from parishioners, CCD catechism directors, the whole nine years.

As a wise SSPX priest has said, the NO in the United States is a democracy. This is a radical break with how the Church has traditionally been run. Walk into any parish in America. Who's in charge? Not the pastor, no way. The parish council are the folks running the show (busy penning a "mission statement" no doubt). Right behind them is the liturgy committee. Sad to say the dioceses are more often than not run by committees and subcommittees, not by the bishop who is drug out for Confirmations and Ordinations (if any). Everything is turned on it's head in the NO.

Long story short Catholicmilkman, you are absolutely right, the poor and uninspiring leadership in many areas of the Church is a big deterrent to vocations. I would reckon many priests, monks, nuns ended up in their state of life based on the outstanding example of someone they knew who was already in that life. Unfortunately such Christian examples are lacking in our day; good leadership is what we need, now more than ever.
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fridayer
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« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2008, 08:02:PM »

And were all of those early vocations, truly vocations? Or was it something that was expected?
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