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« Reply #210 on: June 14, 2009, 09:33:AM » |
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The US should mind its own business when it comes to laws (non-violent) passed by other countries, but the idea of any governing body -- temporal or ecclesiastic -- dictating how often a couple should have sex is ludicrous. I'm trying to imagine two uninterested spouses screwing themselves up (pun acknowledged) to copulate the prescribed number of times per week, even though both would be happy with less frequency. Believe me, Afghanistan didn't pass that law to ensure husbands get their marital rights; it was almost certainly passed to increase the population.
I'm tired of men using the Bible to prove they have a right to sex from their wives. The Bible does not lay the entire burden of sexual duty on the woman, it makes clear that in THAT regard the rights and duties of the spouses are identical. And believe me when I say to you that there are plenty of husbands who deny their wives the marital debt because for whatever reason, they just can't be bothered ... but it's unlikely you'll hear a lot of women complaining about this because they are too ashamed.
Once again, a trad treatise on marital relations that is so loving, romantic and sexy I could melt into a quivering puddle. With such words being whispered as, "You owe me the debt," who wouldn't want to get it on?
Oh, and way to go insulting the majority of American women, who are what they've been taught to be. It's not like most American men are such a prize, either.
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« Reply #211 on: June 14, 2009, 09:42:AM » |
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With such words being whispered as, "You owe me the debt," who wouldn't want to get it on? LMAO! |
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"We're from Jersey. Not New Jersey, just Jersey. We curse a lot. We say "yo" and we say it often. We sure as hell don't pump our own gas. We know what real pizza tastes like and we know that a bagel is much more than a roll wit a hole in the middle. We judge people by what exit they are off the parkway or by what mall they live closest to. We drive SUVs and we tailgate any chance we get. All good nights must end in a diner, preferably with cheese fries. It's a sub, not a hoagie or a hero. and I wash it down with soda, not pop. I have a dawg, and I drink cawfee. ..and New York City, is "the city." We know 65 mph means 80 mph."-Anon
Foolish then, is he who departs from the Vicar of Christ Crucified, who has the keys of the Blood, or who goes against him . . . Even though the pope were satan incarnate himself, I may not lift up my head against him, but I must always humble myself, and beg for the Blood as a mercy, for in no other wise can I obtain a part of it -St. Catherine of Sienna.
If desire has equal power with actual Baptism, you would then be satisfied to desire Glory, as though that longing itself were Glory!-St. Gregory Nazianzen.
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« Reply #212 on: June 14, 2009, 10:00:AM » |
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+1 Satori and HK!
Besides the extremely dubious statement that women should ask permission to leave their houses, his arguments boil down to a sort of gender utopianism: women and men should simply behave as they did in past times. If they did that, everything would be all right. Just ignore Original Sin, and the fact that both men and women are subject to it. I guarantee, for everything you can complain of about women, I can give you something to complain about in men. There was no magic time when relations between the sexes were ideal, but the closest, you might argue, would be in Catholic societies, such as Middle Ages Europe or Golden Age Ireland. But both those societies are marked by a high degree of respect and freedom for women. They didn't just leave their houses, they had jobs! Important jobs! (they could usually do them from home with the children, but you get the point) I recommend Women in the age of the Cathedrals, and segments of Story of the Irish Race for some guidelines as to how women should really be treated.
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O God, forasmuch as without Thee
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« Reply #213 on: June 14, 2009, 10:08:AM » |
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I have a friend (just over 40yo) who brought back a Belarussian wife. She is a pleasant, young twenty-something. However, she did not marry him for love; she is very practical, and married him b/c she knew that her situation would improve by coming here to America. He is a pleasant man, but overweight, prodigal, and an atheist. He was always complaining about Dallas women, but he was himself a very shallow man, wanting a young, slim, beautiful, well-educated, intelligent woman. What he got was a young, slim, not unattractive (but not anything near what he had been trying for in Dallas), uneducated, average woman. Why on earth did he have to go all the way to Belarussia for that? B/c he has an aversion to Bible-thumping Southern women (which abound here), who are themselves not interested in wasteful atheists (they rightly want a man who is at the very least a prot who doesn't spend himself into debt every chance he gets).
For men who meet their foreign brides on foreign shores (military, etc.), I think that is a normal and very different situation compared to the mail-order bride crowd. But I believe men who purposely go looking for foreign brides are lame lame lame and deserve the rejection they get from American women. And if they're having a hard time landing an American woman who has a traditional view of marriage it's not for lack of said women, but b/c that's not really what they're looking for in the first place.
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« Reply #214 on: June 14, 2009, 11:55:AM » |
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Poor RRR.  Some American woman must have been awfully nasty to you (and/or friends of yours?) to make you talk about "99% of American women" that way. I am sorry. This (happily, traditionally married) American lady forgives you the detraction. I agree with what someone said early on... the problem is not American women, it's America; and the problem is not America, it's the world. There's plenty of disrespect and godless evil treatment of other people going both ways in all places. And what's really at the heart of it all is what Anastasia (+1!) says: Original Sin. Don't forget, boys, if a traditional girl is what you really want, you'll find her in the South -- and our accents are not so bad if I do say so myself. ;) |
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« Reply #215 on: June 14, 2009, 12:02:PM » |
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I do declare....
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"We're from Jersey. Not New Jersey, just Jersey. We curse a lot. We say "yo" and we say it often. We sure as hell don't pump our own gas. We know what real pizza tastes like and we know that a bagel is much more than a roll wit a hole in the middle. We judge people by what exit they are off the parkway or by what mall they live closest to. We drive SUVs and we tailgate any chance we get. All good nights must end in a diner, preferably with cheese fries. It's a sub, not a hoagie or a hero. and I wash it down with soda, not pop. I have a dawg, and I drink cawfee. ..and New York City, is "the city." We know 65 mph means 80 mph."-Anon
Foolish then, is he who departs from the Vicar of Christ Crucified, who has the keys of the Blood, or who goes against him . . . Even though the pope were satan incarnate himself, I may not lift up my head against him, but I must always humble myself, and beg for the Blood as a mercy, for in no other wise can I obtain a part of it -St. Catherine of Sienna.
If desire has equal power with actual Baptism, you would then be satisfied to desire Glory, as though that longing itself were Glory!-St. Gregory Nazianzen.
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« Reply #216 on: June 14, 2009, 01:20:PM » |
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It seems like a worldwide phenomenon, why men tends to look outside their own countries for prospective brides?
I'm thinking of looking one myself outside my county, anyone here have any experiences to share?
Do you have any data to say that men tend to look outside their own countries for spouses? |
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« Reply #217 on: June 14, 2009, 01:58:PM » |
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"He should pay for this date, but paying for a date does not mean he is in charge of me"
Actually, I think this is true. If a couple is dating, he is NOT in charge of her. And he should pay for the date. Chivalrous men always do.
When my husband gets home, I'm telling him his payment is past due. Late fees are now triple the previous rate. Egads. No need to overthink the marital debt. I'm convinced it's not healthy, and makes one selfish. Just do it. Love each other. That is all.
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« Reply #218 on: June 14, 2009, 03:34:PM » |
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She enjoys housework Who would enjoy housework? A woman who does housework does it because it needs to be done, much like any work. I don't know of anyone who enjoys the repetitive job of washing, scrubbing, sweeping, folding, dusting etcc. every day for the rest of their lives.
She may not enjoy it, but it gives her a chance to offer scut work up to God, and care for her family in the way that she sees fit.
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« Reply #219 on: June 14, 2009, 03:35:PM » |
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Because they have accents, and accents are unbelievably sexy. Unbelievably.
Especially, but not limited to:
South Africa
France
Argentina
Germany
Italy
Sweden
Middle East
I have done my research to back this up.
Yeah....accents are sexy.
But look at it this way....even Dr. Bombay does a really good ZaZa Gabor doing a Papal blessing.
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