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spasiisochrani
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« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2008, 11:47:AM »

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Though, is it not true that in the Eastern Church Baptism is generally, usually, or almost always administered in conjuction with Confirmation and First Communion - Holy Chrismation?  Confirmation requires a priest or Bishop, and First Communion also, unless the Pre Sanctified species were present.  I'm assuming that the administration of Baptism alone in the Eastern Church would be an extraordinary circumstance (such as danger of death).


That's true.
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« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2008, 12:04:PM »

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That is why back then there were women deacons, because they used to do full body Baptisms, and they were there for the women being Baptised.

I don't know of any citations to support this.   The command to baptize was given to the Apostles and their successors -- who were and are male, as well as the command to confer any of the Sacraments.  The only time women can baptize is at the time of necessity (usually imminent death), as  MagisterMusicae noted.
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« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2008, 12:08:PM »

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That is why back then there were women deacons, because they used to do full body Baptisms, and they were there for the women being Baptised.


I don't know of any citations to support this.   The command to baptize was given to the Apostles and their successors -- who were and are male, as well as the command to confer any of the Sacraments.  The only time women can baptize is at the time of necessity (usually imminent death), as MagisterMusicae noted.
 
Will you accept the Catholic Encyclopedia? Read the section on 'Functions of Deaconesses'.
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« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2008, 12:19:PM »

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That is why back then there were women deacons, because they used to do full body Baptisms, and they were there for the women being Baptised.

I don't know of any citations to support this.   The command to baptize was given to the Apostles and their successors -- who were and are male, as well as the command to confer any of the Sacraments.  The only time women can baptize is at the time of necessity (usually imminent death), as MagisterMusicae noted.
Will you accept the Catholic Encyclopedia? Read the section on 'Functions of Deaconesses'.

Well, not really.     The first paragraph confirms that  "We cannot be sure that any formal recognition of deaconesses as an institution of consecrated women aiding the clergy is to be found in the New Testament.  If it's not in the deposit of Faith, it lacks infallibility or inerrancy.

The Roman Catechism states that in cases of necessity, a woman cannot baptize if a man is present, so authority is given to man first.  However, this was amended later on, without distinction to gender, and everybody was included, even heretics and pagans, in the "able to baptize" clause.
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