How much are our perspectives shaped by where we attend Mass?

[Catholicmilkman]

So adherence Sedevacantism is not mandatory at those Masses? Interesting.

Correct.  The Masses are valid masses and are sometimes the only TLM in the region.  There's a few non-sede fisheaters who attend sede TLMs out of necessity.

You can be sure it's not me. It's only traditional Papa nostro Benedicto Masses for me.

[gjwalberg]

So adherence Sedevacantism is not mandatory at those Masses? Interesting.

Correct.  The Masses are valid masses and are sometimes the only TLM in the region.  There's a few non-sede fisheaters who attend sede TLMs out of necessity.

You can be sure it's not me. It's only traditional Papa nostro Benedicto Masses for me.

I'm with you, sir.  I'm just stating the facts.

I report, you decide.

[neel]

So adherence Sedevacantism is not mandatory at those Masses? Interesting.

Correct.  The Masses are valid masses and are sometimes the only TLM in the region.  There's a few non-sede fisheaters who attend sede TLMs out of necessity.

You can be sure it's not me. It's only traditional Papa nostro Benedicto Masses for me.

In sede circles, you can simply call it an "una cum" mass and everyone will know what you're talking about.  

Funny thing is, I'm a sede who has only attended two non-una cum masses in my whole life!  I don't buy into the neo-sede (that's right, there's those too!) argument that says sedes should never go to a valid una cum mass.  

[NorthernTrad]

Do you guys think that maybe, our doctrinal stances are sometimes shaped by where we go to Mass? I've wondered that if I was in an area where there were only SSPX Masses, for example, if I'd reshape my stance subconsciously to support my desire for the traditional liturgy.

What do you guys think? Do you think your doctrinal stances result from where you go to Mass, or vice-versa?

This is a great topic. I'd have to say vice-versa to your question. Personally, I go to a CMRI Mass because I am a sedevacantist. There are, however, non-sedevacantists who attend Mass with me that would say just opposite, so I think it can certainly vary from person to person.

So adherence Sedevacantism is not mandatory at those Masses? Interesting.

That is correct.  The CMRI correctly realizes that a current state sedevacantism is neither a Church dogma nor papal declaration and cannot rightfully be forced onto the faithful for assent.  In fact, I believe roughly half of our congregation is not sedevacantist, which personally I find strange as we have an Indult in the same city.

[gemma_philothea]

Funny thing is, I'm a sede who has only attended two non-una cum masses in my whole life! I don't buy into the neo-sede (that's right, there's those too!) argument that says sedes should never go to a valid una cum mass.

That's what you would call a reasonable and Catholic attitude Trying to maintain unity with good, fellow Catholics.

I love going to the CMRI because they most closely reflect our family's response to the crisis and they understand their place. But I have not one qualm about going to the SSPX, I like them too. I just want to go to mass and be a Catholic! Though I like to spend time with people whose theological position is the same as my own, I also am friends with Catholics who disagree with me.

[BrotherDave]

Funny thing is, I'm a sede who has only attended two non-una cum masses in my whole life! I don't buy into the neo-sede (that's right, there's those too!) argument that says sedes should never go to a valid una cum mass.

That's what you would call a reasonable and Catholic attitude Trying to maintain unity with good, fellow Catholics.

I love going to the CMRI because they most closely reflect our family's response to the crisis and they understand their place. But I have not one qualm about going to the SSPX, I like them too. I just want to go to mass and be a Catholic! Though I like to spend time with people whose theological position is the same as my own, I also am friends with Catholics who disagree with me.

I'm perhaps reading too much into this thread, but you all are talking about ATTENDING the "una cum" if you're a Sede, or attending the "non-una cum" if your not a Sede.  But do these folks go to the Rail for the Blessed Sacrament?  I would think that this would matter to those whose Mass is being offered?

Again, my question is based on my need to be a guest since my "own" Masses are too far away (geographically).  I want to be a good guest, so I'm trying to find out where the lines are, and should be, drawn.

Thanks, folks!

BD

[ggreg]

My mom(hypothetical wife's mother-in-law) says no; she's already paid off the mortgage to two townhouses with an income less than $40000, being a foreigner, and having no college degree due to some ideology that likes red flags.

Why does she need two townhouses?  And what is the difference between a townhouse and a Gucci bag ultimately.

Financial prudence does not necessarily point to a holy and good use of money.  Misers and spendthrifts both have their faults.  Besides in the modern economy with its welfare state, heavy borrowers often end up winning as much of their debt gets written off after bankruptcy proceedings or death.  Savers often get screwed by inflation and low interest rates.

I often wonder whether someone is better off working hard from 20-60 only to have to support themselves from saving for the last 20 years of their life or earning just enough and having lots of leisure time from 20-60 and then falling back on the welfare state?  It seems to me that the debtors have a better time of it overall.

[gemma_philothea]

In response to Brother Dave,

I would go up to the communion rail anywhere I attend mass, no matter what their theological position is. If a certain group gets a little crazy and decides to not let me go to communion, I wouldn't go to mass there.

Other than that, I don't go to chapels with opposing views and talk about my own. I just go to mass, maybe say hi to a few people on the way out, and go home. I'm not trying to rock the boat, I'm trying to stay in the state of grace

[BrotherDave]

In response to Brother Dave,

I would go up to the communion rail anywhere I attend mass, no matter what their theological position is. If a certain group gets a little crazy and decides to not let me go to communion, I wouldn't go to mass there.

Other than that, I don't go to chapels with opposing views and talk about my own. I just go to mass, maybe say hi to a few people on the way out, and go home. I'm not trying to rock the boat, I'm trying to stay in the state of grace

Looks like good advice that I'll prayerfully consider and probably try to apply to my situation.

Thanks, Gemma!

BD

[Theresa]

But do these folks go to the Rail for the Blessed Sacrament? 

Looks like good advice that I'll prayerfully consider and probably try to apply to my situation.

Bro.Dave,  I don't mean to dampen your hopes, but are you considering 'going to the Rail' to receive Communion at one of our Masses?  The traditional teaching is that no one not in communion with Rome may receive.

I don't mean to offend or be contrary, but I just had to say this.