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DaveC
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« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2008, 02:50:PM »


"I DO totally support Israel´s right to exist"

You support the Jewish nation returning to the promised land without their Messiah?
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رژیم صهیونیست بايد از صفحه روزگار محو شود

"Our own belief is that the renovation of the world will be brought about only by the Holy Eucharist."

    - Pope Leo XIII
werdegast
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« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2008, 02:54:PM »

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Nope. Israel in it´s majority wants compromise and a lasting peace. The others want Israel gone, and will NEVER compromise.
Again... Do you think Christians would fair much better if Israel had TOTAL control of the area and did not need outside aid?
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Cephas
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« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2008, 03:07:PM »

I wondered how many violations of the precepts of natural law have occured with all this stuff related to 'Israel' .
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« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2008, 03:30:PM »

Diotima,

Your rabid Zionism is not a tenable position for a Catholic to hold.  Christians have co-existed with Muslim Palestinians in the past much more peacefully than they have with the Zionist regime, which treats all non-Jews as second-class citizens, both Muslim and Christian.  I have heard plenty of first-hand evidence to support this, including from an elderly Palestinian priest friend of mine.  To suggest that the aggression in Palestine is totally one-sided against the Jews is to ignore the reality of modern Israel's terrorist origins.  By the way, whose troops used the statue of Our Lady at the Church of the Nativity as target practice?  The Israeli Army is hardly a just and Christian-friendly entity.

When Theodor Herzl, the atheist founder of modern Zionism, visited Pope St. Pius X in 1904 to drum up support for a Jewish state, the saintly pope told him that he would not recognize a Jewish state because the Jews have failed to recognize Jesus Christ as Lord.  We, as Catholics, need not afford the Jews any exceptional rights beyond what we recognize as belonging to all peoples.

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« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2008, 03:50:PM »

Diotima,

For your education:

That's just the tip of the iceberg.  Try getting your education about Israel somewhere other than Fox News.
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diotima
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« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2008, 03:57:PM »

For YOUR education - I never watch Fox News, since I am a German.
I don´t much care about your "info" from way back when - check out "palestinian" behaviour TODAY. And I don´t much care for pallywood fabrications, either.Israel´s existence is a fact. DID you

If the so-called "palestinian" arabs wanted peace, they could have had it many times. they have nobody but themselves, and their arab brothers to blame.

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werdegast
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« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2008, 04:11:PM »

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I don´t much care about your "info" from way back when - check out "palestinian" behaviour TODAY. And I don´t much care for pallywood fabrications, either.Israel´s existence is a fact. DID you

You may not care about "your "info" from way back when" but the "so-called "palestinian" arabs" DO care about the past.

Israel is not the spotless lamb you appear to make it out to be.

Once more... Do you think Christians would be better off if Israel had TOTAL control of the area and did not need outside aid?
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« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2008, 04:28:PM »

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Quote from: diotima
I don´t much care about your "info" from way back when - check out "palestinian" behaviour TODAY. And I don´t much care for pallywood fabrications, either.Israel´s existence is a fact. DID you
You may not care about "your "info" from way back when" but the "so-called "palestinian" arabs" DO care about the past.

Israel is not the spotless lamb you appear to make it out to be.

Once more... Do you think Christians would be better off if Israel had TOTAL control of the area and did not need outside aid?
Israel only wants control of it´s own territory and peace. And yes - I DO think, christans would be better off. Check this out:
http://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/articolo/44202?&eng=y

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The leader of the Hamas contingent in the municipal council of Bethlehem, Hassam El-Masalmeh, exalts the suicide attacks against the Jews, and asserts that these will continue until all of Palestine, including the territory of Israel, is under Palestinian control.
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During the 1990’s, Bethlehem was governed by men connected with Yasser Arafat’s party, Fatah.
 
These men were accused of corruption and abuses against the Christian population.
When the second intifada broke out, in 2000, part of Arafat’s security forces formed a new armed group, the Al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades.
 
In April of 2002, guerillas connected with Fatah, under hot pursuit from Israeli troops, occupied the basilica of the Nativity in Bethlehem, and – a lesser-known fact – other convents and Christian institutions in the city.
The crisis developed before the eyes of the world, and ended with the liberation of the basilica. The leaders of the uprising were transferred to Gaza, and to a few European countries

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t is a fear that took shape after the electoral victory of Hamas, not only in Bethlehem’s municipal elections, but also in those of other cities of Cisjordan: Nablus, Jenin, Qalqilya. A new style can already be seen in the municipalities where Hamas is installed: Christian women employed there, who are accustomed to shaking everybody’s hand, are held at a distance by the newly elected, for whom physical contact violates Islamic principles.
 
The general plan of Hamas also includes the imposition of a special tax, called al-jeziya, upon all of the non-Muslim residents in the Palestinian territories. This tax revives the one applied through all of Islamic history to the dhimmi, the second-class Jewish and Christian citizens.
 
In an interview with Karby Legget, published in the December 23-26 edition of “The Wall Street Journal,” Masalmeh, the leader of the Hamas contingent at the municipal council of Bethlehem, confirmed: “We in Hamas intend to implement this tax someday. We say it openly – we welcome everyone to Palestine but only if they agree to live under our rules.”
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« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2008, 04:36:PM »

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For YOUR education - I never watch Fox News, since I am a German.

German, eh?  Sounds like someone is trying to compensate for their guilt complex.
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« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2008, 04:37:PM »

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Quote from: diotima
For YOUR education - I never watch Fox News, since I am a German.

German, eh?  Sounds like someone is trying to compensate for their guilt complex.
Oh, Gee! Is that the best you can come up with?
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