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Carpool
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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2008, 09:10:AM »

This is not right.  Again, how can this go on and Rome still has problems with the SSPX?  It makes no sense.  

Another thing, Freemasons aren't allowed in Catholic Churches.  Show me one Anglican/Episcopal Bishop who isn't also a Freemason.


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cunctas_haereses
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« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2008, 11:50:AM »

Show me an Anglican 'bishop' period. There is no such thing. Anglican 'clergy' are all laymen - their 'orders' are null and void. Frauds to a man - and, now, woman.

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StevusMagnus
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« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2008, 11:55:AM »

Guys, sharing church buildings with Prots is part of the ecumenical movement championed by JPII. He personally lauded the directives for Ecumenism published by the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity. The rules on church sharing are laid out in those directives!! So this practice is FULLY approved by the Holy See beginning with JPII.

JPII in Ut Unum Sint:

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/encyclicals/documents/hf_jp-ii_enc_25051995_ut-unum-sint_en.html

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By engaging in frank dialogue, Communities help one another to look at themselves together in the light of the Apostolic Tradition. This leads them to ask themselves whether they truly express in an adequate way all that the Holy Spirit has transmitted through the Apostles.24 With regard to the Catholic Church, I have frequently recalled these obligations and perspectives, as for example on the anniversary of the Baptism of Kievan Rus' 25 or in commemorating the eleven hundred years since the evangelizing activity of Saints Cyril and Methodius.26 More recently, the Directory for the Application of Principles and Norms on Ecumenism, issued with my approval by the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, has applied them to the pastoral sphere.27
 
 
Directory for the Application of Principles and Norms on Ecumenism

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/documents/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_25031993_principles-and-norms-on-ecumenism_en.html

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103. The term "sharing in spiritual activities and resources" covers such things as prayer offered in common, sharing in liturgical worship in the strict sense, as described below in n. 116, as well as common use of sacred places and of all necessary objects....

108. Where appropriate, Catholics should be encouraged, in accordance with the Church's norms, to join in prayer with Christians of other Churches and ecclesial Communities. Such prayers in common are certainly a very effective means of petitioning for the grace of unity, and they are a genuine expression of the ties which still bind Catholics to these other Christians.119 Shared prayer is in itself a way to spiritual reconciliation...

112 Although a church building is a place in which a community is normally accustomed to celebrating its own liturgy, the common services mentioned above may be celebrated in the church of one or other of the communities concerned, if that is acceptable to all the participants. Whatever place is used should be agreeable to all, be capable of being properly prepared and be conducive to devotion.

119. Regarding assistance at liturgical worship of this type, there should be a meticulous regard for the sensibilities of the clergy and people of all the Christian Communities concerned, as well as for local customs which may vary according to time, place, persons and circumstances. In a Catholic liturgical celebration, ministers of other Churches and ecclesial Communities may have the place and liturgical honors proper to their rank and their role, if this is judged desirable...

120. In the prudent judgment of the local Ordinary, the funeral rites of the Catholic Church may be granted to members of a non-Catholic Church or ecclesial Community, unless it is evidently contrary to their will and provided that their own minister is unavailable,123 and that the general provisions of Canon Law do not forbid it.124

139. When authorization for such ownership or use is given by the diocesan Bishop (sharing of buildings for worship), according to any norms which may be established by the Episcopal Conference or the Holy See, judicious consideration should be given to the reservation of the Blessed Sacrament, so that this question is resolved on the basis of a sound sacramental theology with the respect that is due, while also taking account of the sensitivities of those who will use the building, e.g., by constructing a separate room or chapel.
 
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Archbishop_10K
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« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2008, 11:56:AM »

Quote from: Carpool
Another thing, Freemasons aren't allowed in Catholic Churches. 

It was my impression that anyone is allowed inside a Catholic church (as in, entering the building).

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Show me one Anglican/Episcopal Bishop who isn't also a Freemason.

Err...... well, alright. That's not too difficult. Rowan Williams, the "Archbishop" of Canterbury and ecclesiastical head of the Church of England, is not a Freemason (as crazy as that guy is). There's actually a section about this under his Wikipedia article:

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Position on Freemasonry

In a leaked private letter Rowan Williams said that he "had real misgivings about the compatibility of Masonry and Christian profession" and that whilst Bishop of Monmouth he had prevented the appointment of Freemasons to senior positions within his diocese. The leaking of this letter in 2003 caused a controversy, which he sought to diffuse by apologising for the distress caused and stating that he did not question "the good faith and generosity of individual Freemasons", not least as his father was a member. However, he also reiterated his concern about Christian ministers adopting "a private system of profession and initiation, involving the taking of oaths of loyalty." [40]

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« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2008, 12:47:PM »

It is worse in another parish not far from the one mentioned in this thread. St Basil and All Saints which holds "simultaneous services" at the "altar table". Be cautious before reading the following from their "Our History":

In 1991, St Basil’s & All Saints took the brave step of sharing a tabernacle even before the first decade of their history was out. It was a process that took three years to come to fruition. Sanction was sought and granted by Archbishop Derek Worlock and Bishop David Sheppard. It was strongly felt that two separate tabernacles, or a single tabernacle with separate lockable compartments, would not represent the trust or respect which existed between the two communities. Hence they opted for a shared tabernacle with two separate shelves, one door, one lock and one key.

 

The communities’ journey towards joint worship began with both rites being celebrated one after the other. This quickly moved through interwoven celebrations avoiding duplication to a final stage in which a Eucharistic Rite acceptable to both communities was celebrated simultaneously at the same altar table (simultaneous Eucharist). The two communities moved as close together as legally permissible, without breaking discipline on intercommunion.

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