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[reginacaelorum]

Simply put, that woman is batsh*t crazy to say such a thing.

[Satori]

Really, the more I think about this, the more I wonder why it even needs to be discussed. We hold people accountable for murder even if the victim was acting badly; we call someone a thief even if he stole from someone who was thoughtless enough to leave the front door unlocked. Why should rape be the one crime in which so much emphasis is placed on whether or not the victim tempted the criminal? The victim's immodesty, if she was immodest, is an issue to be considered entirely separately. The criminal alone can be held accountable for his crime. Does anyone here truly disagree with this? Probably Colleen Hammond would agree, but she has to bring up modesty because it's her pet subject.

[ResiduumRevertetur]

This topic reminds me of Jodie Foster's movie, The Accused. That's a hard movie to sit through. Maybe Ms Hammond should watch it.

[Richeldis]

Rape is about power, power and getting off on the domination. Mrs Hammond should get her facts right. 

[ErinIsNotNice]

One of the big problems I see is that she is one of the "bigger names" in traditional Catholicism.  SSPX parishes pay her to come out and give talks, and I find it disturbing that someone with these kind of opinions is allowed an audience in churches.

Even more disturbing is that no one posting on the original post even disagreed with her.

[reginacaelorum]

Wow, Erin.  Did anyone respond when you disagreed?  That is truly disturbing.  I had never heard of her before your post, so I went and looked at her website. From the brief info there, it is clear that she places most if not all of the responsibility for being modest on the woman, and men are just subject to their concupiscence.  But maybe I just haven't read enough.

I think you have a valid point - does she say such things at her talks?

[ErinIsNotNice]

I'm banned there so I couldn't say anything!

She's never done a talk here because she's afraid of me

[Paloma]

Blaming yourself for the attack is normal.  But Its not right, and one needs to get past that in order to heal properly.

I really do believe with a previous poster that Hammond says things to get a rise out of people.  Yet the crappy thing about her is that she seems to hide from debate.  The simple explanation is that she's not that smart, and knows it.  She knows her research is shoddy and her conclusions would crumble instantly under the most mild of questioning.

But if she's talking at SSPX churches about modesty, she's preaching to the choir a bit isn't she?  I'd be more worried if she was giving talks at colleges and saying women are asking for it.  I'd really like to see a more intellectual type spew forth similar things that Colleen does and open herself up for debate.  That would be way more interesting than Colleen even tries to be.

[spasiisochrani]

On another "famous" traddie forum, Colleen Hammond (my favorite-est person ever) had this to say about rape:

Rape is a violent crime that is acted out in a sexual manner. Think of who the rapist picks to attack: Sometimes little old ladies, sometimes a provocatively dressed female. But always the unaware or susceptible.

On the flip side, you can't throw raw meat in front of a hungry dog and not expect a reaction...!

So what does everyone think about the comment in bold?  Personally, I am completely horrified and angry, especially when I think of the women I know who have been attacked.  If you dress immodestly you should "expect" to be raped?  Should victims feel guilty?

It was a stupid, throwaway comment, and I doubt that she really thought about it.  The amazing thing is that the thread was about a Mexican university where they appear to think that they can prevent sexual assault by telling the students not to dress in a "provocative" manner:

A Mexican university has banned miniskirts and other "provocative clothing" in an effort to stop "provoking" violent attacks against women.

Héctor Melesio Cuen Ojeda, rector of the Autonomous University of Sinaloa, said that minskirts worn by many of the pupils are an invitation for attacks both inside and outside the university, according to El Universal.

 

[reginacaelorum]

You know, the more I think about that comment, as well as the actions of the Mexican University, it seems that men are the "dogs" in the equation.  Not so flattering, methinks.